Found it! But CCC looks awful low?

yes, this is typical of nearly all hybrids with the magic 3500lbs. GVWR.

they entice owners of minivans and CUVs because almost all have 3500lbs. as their maximum towing capacity.
and yes, the Roo 17 will be close but it has a GVWR over 3500lbs.
it'll have a yellow sticker weight around 3200lbs.

this is the big issue with these trailer, the very poor CCC numbers.

DW and I saw the same thing last year when we where looking at the X17Z and decided to move up to the next size, the X18D. GVW is 3,715 lbs. and CCC is 685 lbs. We load pretty much all of our big gear into the back of our truck, including the bikes. Do not trust the flimsy bumper on the camper to put a carrier and two bikes on it. As far as options go, the fridge, the cooktop, the oven, the microwave, the furnace, the toilet, the a/c. They are all options that add weight to the camper. We take what we need and leave the rest at home.
Good Luck on your camper hunt.

Ditto above, I think the 335 has more to do with keeping the GVWR under 3500 to be 'minivan towable' (HA!) than with what the trailer can actually carry.

I do like having the double axles on my HTT thought. What is your tow capacity?

Not sure if this applies to hybrids, but on TTs the GVWR is pretty much determined by the GAWRs (of the trailer axles) plus some allowance for hitch weight. The low CCC situation happened to us with our current trailer - despite cavernous storage, a CCC of under 900 lbs doesn't go far enough to fill all the cubbies. We tried hard to stay within the weight ratings, but probably exceeded them a time or two.

That said, keep looking. You may get lucky. Or you may find (as we did with our hybrid) that the SUV is a marginal tow vehicle for the camper, and decide to upgrade the TV. :)

An excellent example of manufacturers deliberately underspecing trailers to hit that magic "under 3500 pounds" market. That hybrid is severely underspec'd, and if it only has a 3500 pound axle under it, dangerously so.

Here's a post from another forum from an owner of this same model, 2013 version; this fellow has had a LOT of trouble with suspension/tires on this trailer:

Jayco 2013 X17Z owner wrote:
Here is the math, the last time it was at Jayco, they weighed the trailer and the total was 3280 pounds empty (including at tongue weight of 520 pounds, a little over the advertised 345 pounds). Take the 3500 pound max weight minus the 3280 trailer weight and you 220 pounds I can put into the trailer before it is over weight. Then minus another 80 pounds because the load capacity on the tires is less and I am down to 140 pounds I can put into a new 2013 X17Z before going over the weight rating of the tires.

Link to source/discussion


220 pounds of available payload is ludicrous. Folks will "overload" this trailer and likely have problems with their "3500 pound capacity" tow vehicles' laboring, not to mention tire and suspension problems with the trailer itself.

When we purchased our Aerolite 174es, we owned a Volkswagen Routan. We now have an Expedition EL.:)

The weight of the trailer with all options was 3,164 pounds (not including batteries) with a tongue weight of 264. The axle load capacity was 3,500 pounds. The GVWR was 3,800. The kicker was that the thing had a 50 gallon fresh water tank which if full weighed 415 pounds. Therefore, if we wanted to dry camp, our weight was immediately at 3,579 pounds, leaving us 221 pounds for gear for 2 adults and 4 small children. Needless to say, dry camping was out of the question for us. We simply were not comfortable with the lack of capacity. Minivan towable for an HTT is generally a big fat lie.

Our CCC is about the same as the OP, we've gotten by just fine for 8 years (2 adults, no kids). Bikes and genny go in the truck bed so that helps. Mostly we travel light as storage is pretty limited anyway. We rarely travel with more then 1/3 tank of fresh water filling when we arrive at the first CG and dump the grey and black tanks as needed. I'm sure at times it's overloaded to some extent but again, we've had no problems. The only real weight in the trailer is water/waste, the batteries and the propane. I'd be surprised if the rest adds up to a couple hundred pounds. Again, we have the truck bed we use.

Something to keep in mind... the tongue weight on ours is stated as somewhere around 300 lbs, in actuality it's close to 600. 60 lbs of propane, 100 lbs of batteries, and the fresh water is in front of the axle.

While I certainly wouldn't suggest someone buy a trailer with a low CCC I've never lost any sleep over it. The trucks I've had handle the little trailer just fine. Of course I knew nothing of GVWR's or CCC's when I bought it.

Ponder that larger TV a bit more. That would give you a much larger range of trailers to choose from.

we have 1600lbs of ccc in our htt, and 2951lbs ccc in the sub.

cuv bwahhah....wagon

PAThwacker wrote:
we have 1600lbs of ccc in our htt, and 2951lbs ccc in the sub.

cuv bwahhah....wagon

And yet...dry weight of your hybrid is only 200 pounds more than the Jayco the O.P. is looking at! link to specs.

Yours is spec'd and equipped much more realistically, though I suppose some smart salesman could even sell THAT one to an under-3500-pound-capacity-tug owner using the same logic Jayco's used with stating payload for the unit the O.P.mentions.

Just keep the payload below 300 pounds and they'd be good to go, right? :S