fuel additives

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Since my 11 and now 15 RAM I have not used anything.

Prior I used a fuel conditioner or two cycle oil.

Ram didn't use the higher pressure CP4 pump till 2018.

Some Howes when weather, to dispell water, improve lubricity, lower gel point, add cetane.
Best tip is one Ive used is always from my pipeline construction master mechanic backed up by local diesel mechanics , and my experience of owning 4 chevy diesels since 1986. just took delivery of my 5th a 2021 3500 silverado.
When I change the fuel filter, I fill it with SEA FOAM. In over a million miles I have never had injector issues.
Amongst our area loggers and construction operators, where machinery may sit for months between use Power Service is the go to for emergency , Howes diesel treat the gasoline equivalent to fuel stabilizer.

fuel additives ??

The guy that does all my hay baling has three diesel tractors and two diesel trucks. He uses lots of fuel in his farm and ranch operations so he has his own fuel storage tanks.
He just got his 9 month old green tractor back from the dealer after the fueling system took a dump. Now his late model 3500 SRW 6.7 diesel is in the shop with same fueling issues.
What he found out was his fuel came from a single source. The fuel in his storage tanks tested for the wrong fuel additive that gets added at the fueling rack.
He now uses a different fuel distributor.

Most of us use different fuel stations. We get a mix from different tanks and distributors.
If the truck load didn't get the additive package added or the wrong package its diluted by the fuel in the stations tanks or the tank in our trucks.

I use Power service in all my diesel trucks and my old old 3610 Ford blue tractor. The tractor gets about two oz of red tranny fluid for the old injection pump seals/internals.
OTR...LTL...hotshot operators using diesel equipmentuse what they like...myself included.

FishOnOne wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
Seems alot of the Powerstroke guys think they need additives to save their engines...
Unless there's a problem you're trying to cure or you bought the wrong fuel for the weather, there is no need to add anything but diesel to your diesel tank.

Just so you know...

Link

OP,
I have ~215k miles on my Powerstroke and used a antigel fuel additive a couple of times that I recall when the temps got really cold. The last time was this past February, but even then it probably wasn't necessary.

One can read this in 2 different ways.....

1 - That Cummins engines NEEDS extra help :B

2 - That Cummins is gonna buy Power Service and they are amping up their business...

Either way, I wave been in Ford diesels from the 7.3.. to the 6.0 , 6.4, and now my 2nd 6.7 and have not used anything in any of them... I DID use the winter blend ( white ) Power Service in my old 1 Stack Mack, "R" Model back in the day...:C

ford truck guy wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
Seems alot of the Powerstroke guys think they need additives to save their engines...
Unless there's a problem you're trying to cure or you bought the wrong fuel for the weather, there is no need to add anything but diesel to your diesel tank.

Just so you know...

Link

OP,
I have ~215k miles on my Powerstroke and used a antigel fuel additive a couple of times that I recall when the temps got really cold. The last time was this past February, but even then it probably wasn't necessary.

One can read this in 2 different ways.....

1 - That Cummins engines NEEDS extra help :B

2 - That Cummins is gonna buy Power Service and they are amping up their business...

Either way, I wave been in Ford diesels from the 7.3.. to the 6.0 , 6.4, and now my 2nd 6.7 and have not used anything in any of them... I DID use the winter blend ( white ) Power Service in my old 1 Stack Mack, "R" Model back in the day...:C

Probably a third. Power Service is paying Cummins to endorse/recommend using them, and Power Service paid for the emissions testing with Cummins emissions equipment.

Many diesel manufacturers stopped recommending diesel additives with the 2010 emissions requirements due to their unknown effect on the SCR. Some testing shows that it may shorten the life of these components if too much is added. Additives may also increase NOx so they have to be emissions tested to use them with the new rules. Of course, no engine manufacturer is going to want to pay to test all these additives that they will make no money on.

However, if an additive company wants to pay for the testing and pay royalties on using your logo and recommendation then that is a no-brainer for the diesel manufacturer. Power Service probably went after Cummins since there are way more Cummins diesel's out there.

The need for diesel fuel additive depends on many variables like the quality of the fuel you are using(which is different from one place to another), temperature, how much idle time you are doing, and so on. A person in Texas or California may not need to use additives due to our fuel requirements being higher than other states that use the federal requirements. One person may idle a lot and needs additional protection while another may not. During winter months, a semi-truck or hot shot driver may fill up in a southern state where it is warmer and travel to a northern state where it is much colder since they can go 800-1200 miles without the need to full-up depending on their set-up.

I think some of the brand loyalists here see the word additives tied to their favorite brand as a sign of weakness when it actually is just dependent on how you use your vehicle and the quality of fuel available to you. Not everyone has the same situation so you will have different answers. Many people forget that others may not have the same situation as they do. If I were traveling to a region that was unfamiliar to me, I would definitely take some additives with me just in case I have to get fuel at a questionable place or traveling from a warm climate to a colder climate without refueling.

Lynnmor wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Since my 11 and now 15 RAM I have not used anything.

Prior I used a fuel conditioner or two cycle oil.

Ram didn't use the higher pressure CP4 pump till 2018.

Not sure how that relates to what I said?

FishOnOne wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
Seems alot of the Powerstroke guys think they need additives to save their engines...
Unless there's a problem you're trying to cure or you bought the wrong fuel for the weather, there is no need to add anything but diesel to your diesel tank.

Just so you know...

Link

OP,
I have ~215k miles on my Powerstroke and used a antigel fuel additive a couple of times that I recall when the temps got really cold. The last time was this past February, but even then it probably wasn't necessary.

I know... Still wondering how much PS paid Cummins for that glowing recommendation! Read through that recommendation if you want to see some real salesmanship!
BTW, you were probably very smart to juice up in Feb.
Youngest boy and I were in Dallas during that fiasco! Left warm sunny Seattle, lol and ended up with no power in the hotels and driving around for 2 days looking for that one place that was open to eat or get food! Somehow he got all his hockey games in, last one being early Mon morning and then pipes burst in that rink as we were leaving.
Spent an extra day waiting for a flight out and after 3 cancellations, hijacked the rental car and drove west through round 2 of the snow before it hit Dallas, to Albuquerque, to catch a flight.

I would have totally suspected that, that cold snap in central or S Texas would be good reason to add anti gel, as I wouldn't trust the diesel treatments that far south. However up anywhere along I 40, I wouldn't have worried about it.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Lynnmor wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Since my 11 and now 15 RAM I have not used anything.

Prior I used a fuel conditioner or two cycle oil.

Ram didn't use the higher pressure CP4 pump till 2018.

Not sure how that relates to what I said?

It doesn't although it shows he's just commenting about something he knows nothing aboot.

wopachop wrote:
I would for an older 7.3 powerstroke. Newer truck would most likely do an injector cleaner every couple years but not a daily fuel additive. Archoil gets really good reviews and cheap on amazon. Think its more designed for older stuff like the 7.3. They sell daily additive and also a bottle of injector cleaner. Oil treatment as well. I buy the 3 pack that contains each of them.

Although I only had my early 99 Superduty 7.3 for nearly 16 years , bought new , never put a drop of fuel additive in it. Was running just as good as the day I bought it when I sold it . It appears some are drinking the koolaid . And ran a lot of the low sulfur fuel in it .

What does the manufacture say? I think the millions of dollars they spent in research might be a clue.