And camping in 65 degree weather has a different set of requirements than camping in 105 degree weather. Not all of us have easy access to the mountains of the west.
I totally understand..Don't get me wrong,we have idiots also mostly on holidays.Group camping produces some crazy stuff..Major holidays I come home rather than put up with the drunks riding around on there ATV's and shooting guns at whatever and the kids unattended and dust galore.
I would much rather listen to a generator running than the above,but I choose just not to be around any of it and choose places where most won't go or can't.