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- RAM=SAE J2807 compliant.
That even includes the bumper and spare.;) 8iron wrote:
At the end of the day, I fail to see how any of this actually affects the trucks that you and I drive? It's all a marketing game of one-upsmanship (with fine print) isn't it?
It's dishonest and intentionally misleads consumers. When I'm comparing sales brochures and comparing models and manufacturers, should I really have to read the fine print to know when I need to add back the weight of a rear bumper or center console? For that matter, did Ford or GM ever even include such disclaimers in their brochures and/or advertisements?- I think Ford and GM missed out on a real opportunity to show some really impressive numbers. If they removed the bed, seats and engine, they could market base 1500 series trucks with 3000 pound payloads! ;)
LarryJM wrote:
You can't just raise the GVWR w/o VERY EXPENSIVE and time consuming Brake certification testing so that a different FMVSS door sticker is allowed.
Larry
Brake certification testing is neither expensive nor time consuming really. It's as simple as loading a vehicle to the metrics outlined in FMVSS 105 and verifying that the vehicle adheres to the standards outlined in the regulation. The manufacturer does everything themselves on their own proving grounds. There's no approval process from the NHTSA, no inspector that shows up to verify testing protocols, or even any paperwork or forms that need to be submitted showing that the component complies. A manufacturer could certify a brake package for a GVWR in a few minutes if they wanted to. It seems that almost every component in the HD pickups is purposely overbuilt. This is how they can magically raise the GVWR without changing any of the components. If a manufacturer wants to up the GVWR to 11,000 and they know that the truck already has 14,000 GVWR brakes on it, then it's as easy as printing new stickers. They don't even have to "recertify" the truck.BenK wrote:
They all have been doing that for decades...
'Curb' is the 'stripper'...been saying that for years and years and years...
Another thread on this topic:
Door sticker says never exceed 1263 lbs of cargo/passengers
Thought I read, though not sure, that Dodge/Ram HADN'T been removing bumpers, spare tires, etc to up the payload numbers.....- Back in the 80's a rear bumper was an option that you paid extra for. Many people would buy one without a bumper so they can install custom parts.
Lessmore wrote:
Ford and GM both seem guilty as charged. As BenK says , the stripper model truck has been used for years to maximize cargo capacity/trailer towing capacity.
But removing bumpers, etc....hmmmnn.
I guess that's why it's always wise to not tow and /or load, at maximum rated capacity. IdaD wrote:
8iron wrote:
At the end of the day, I fail to see how any of this actually affects the trucks that you and I drive? It's all a marketing game of one-upsmanship (with fine print) isn't it?
It's dishonest and intentionally misleads consumers. When I'm comparing sales brochures and comparing models and manufacturers, should I really have to read the fine print to know when I need to add back the weight of a rear bumper or center console? For that matter, did Ford or GM ever even include such disclaimers in their brochures and/or advertisements?
I wasn't condoning it but simply asking how this affects the truck your driving. If a person bought a truck because Mike Rowe, Howie Long or Sam Elliot said it has the "best in class" whatever without checking facts, figures or ratings of the vehicle they test drove then that person shouldn't really be using a truck to tow/haul anything. Caveat emptor8iron wrote:
At the end of the day, I fail to see how any of this actually affects the trucks that you and I drive? It's all a marketing game of one-upsmanship (with fine print) isn't it?
So you just accept lying and cheating as normal and expected? I expect honesty.NC Hauler wrote:
BenK wrote:
They all have been doing that for decades...
'Curb' is the 'stripper'...been saying that for years and years and years...
Another thread on this topic:
Door sticker says never exceed 1263 lbs of cargo/passengers
Thought I read, though not sure, that Dodge/Ram HADN'T been removing bumpers, spare tires, etc to up the payload numbers.....
Correct. They were honest about their payload numbers - along with Nissan and Toyota. Its in the link above.- If anybody is happy with their truck why do all of the stories above matter.
I call it whining. Have a good Labor day everybody. Have fun and don't think about trucks.
chevman
