GM Strike

JIMNLIN wrote:

My replies are toward the thread about GM unions and unions in general as far as the employee goes. However your interpretation of unions and their political supporters and how the system is working for them is a bit exaggerated.
Nothing short sighted about company/union agreements.

My question was about how can unions can support a political party whose long term goals will be worse for US jobs. You didn't answer that yet quoted my question. Hence the reason why I said you did not answer my question(yet you quoted it).

JIMNLIN wrote:

LOL...wrong again with more exaggerations.
Lets flip this . I see your influnced by company and their political party machines.
Us vs them scare tactics is real and is working for unions and companies alike and very alive in the non union shops I've worked in.

People are biased from what they read or hear mostly from their political ties and shows in their comments about unions in general (pro or con).
Just like politics I'm not going to change your or anyones mind.... on the GM union contract thread in general...and no one is going to change mine.

Actually I used to be a Kool-aid drinking union guy until one day I saw a union shift leader post the blame on a young guy who I went to orientation with at a paper mill I used to work evening shift at in college. The union leader was the head forklift driver who delivered paper roles to the corrugator machine. Everyone knew he had a cot out behind all the roles and purposely overloaded the machine so he could take a nap. One day, the regional GM was taking a walk through the warehouse with the plant manager and they stumbled upon the cot.

The union shift leader blamed it on the new guy who just had his third child and was so excited to have a good job. I told the truth about whose it was, but the union leader got everyone else to back him. So they fired the kid I went to orientation with and black balled me from that point on. After that, I was a little more skeptical about all the BS propaganda they used to drive into us to hate white collar workers and upper management. I found actual facts proving it was BS, but it made no difference since the rest were just too hooked on the kool-aide.

Later on, when we were in contracts for a pay increase, the talks stalled for weeks and the union leaders told us it was because the company was not meeting our demands. About six months before this, I started dating an intern that worked in office around the executives. I asked her why the company is trying to low ball us and stall the talks. She said they weren't and that they agreed to all of the contract from day one, but the union said they wanted a few weeks to look it over. So the union was telling us that they were fighting for our rights, but in actuality they were purposely stalling the talks to make it seem like it was the companies fault.

I also have friends and family members with their own horror stories about the unions they were apart of. Don't get me wrong, there are good stories too, but it was what I stated above that made me verify all the propaganda the union was feeding us to find out that most was not true, not a political party as you stated. Basically, I caught them in one lie, then another, and they lost my trust so I started checking whether everything else they were telling was a lie too which most of it was.