GM Strike

ShinerBock wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

JRscooby wrote:

Whoa! Back up there! I don't think I called people in right to work states "freeloaders".
Say 10 people working side by each, all doing the same work, all getting paid the same, union negotiated rate, working under the same union negotiated work rules. 6 are paying the dues, 4 are not. Now say work gets slow, company decides need to cut staff, and wants to lay off the oldest because he will soon be eligible for the union negotiated retirement. By the so called "Right To Work" laws I have read, if the contract says the least senior workers should be first cut, union must represent the one the company want to cut, even if he has never paid a dime in dues. What do you call that old guy? If you paid dues, does that change his name?

1. You said you call right to work states the right to "free load" essentially calling them free loaders.

2. In Texas, the union is not required to represent non-union workers.

3. Texas has the Texas Labor Code Chapter 21 which protects people who are over 40 from this kind of stuff in places that have more than 15 employees. You also have the Age Discrimination in Employment Act for US, but that applies to employers with 20 employees of more.



What about the reverse? Unions using taxpayer time/money to fund their operations?

The Unfair Ways Unions Use Resources from Taxpayers, Members

"In FY 2016, federal employees spent more than 3.6 million working hours on union business. That includes:

1 million+ hours at the Department of Veterans Affairs. (One registered nurse from the VA spent 100 percent of her time doing official time.)
58,000 hours at the Environmental Protection Agency.
6,500 hours at the Department of Education.
873 hours at the National Science Foundation."

"At the scandal-plagued VA alone, 472 employees spent 100 percent of their working hours advancing union interests instead of actually caring for veterans in fiscal 2017, including two who each made more than $190,000 per year – all while veterans were dying waiting in line for the VA’s government-run healthcare."

What about those? When I worked at the paper mil that I stated earlier, I saw union leaders doing union stuff on company time all the time. They even used company supplies like paper, printers and ink.

Like I said. There is good and bad on both sides. You can't mention the union doing stuff for free without bringing up the fact that they do a lot of stuff on the company dime as well. So if you are mad at the union having to represent non-union workers on the union dime, then take it out of the 100 plus million dollars each year unions get it out of taxpayers for doing union work on the clock. Although, I am sure you will still owe us in the end.

Heavens knows that the "facts" quoted there are on the level and not biased. Since the "Americans for Prosperity" is funded by the Koch brothers, I'm sure it's completely even handed. Riiiiiiiight.

The reported numbers came from the US government(the U.S. Office of Personnel Management or OPM to be exact) if you read the article. Americans for Prosperity was just reporting reporting on the numbers that came from the US government just like many others have written about the same thing. Ironically, most of those who wrote an article about this are on the right, but hardly any left leaning news organization said a word about it. I guess they don't want their people to know what is really going and only want them to know the negatives on the other side.