GM Strike

Interesting reading. Union electrician for 45 years, retired at 59 with my local pension and got my 2 international pension at 62. Life is good now and would never look back and change anything.
The board here has many that were in a union and felt the demands of their employers. The big thing is without the unions most nonunion folks would be getting far less by their employers because their bosses had to pay more to keep their employees.

JIMNLIN wrote:

NEGATIVE SIR....only half...the corrupt half...the half that want it all for nothing without working for it
I've been there seen that lived it

More bashing.
I'm a retired journeyman aircraft tool builder with over 40 years experience in dealing with UAW union....Transport workers union (aerospace).....AFL/CIO union. I've been a member of good standing for all those years so I know worker bashing and exaggeration about the workers when I hear it.
Like I said this is just another anti union troll thread with the same bashers we had the last anti american worker thread which has nothing new to report.

If you can read....I stated NOT ALL are bad...you have that half that are and ruin it for the rest...I've been a union employee before the steel workers union I was in I'd say only half of the employees actually did work the other half worked harder trying to get out of doing any work and were the first ones who wanted to strike and wanted everything handed to them on a silver platter and that is absolutely NO EXAGGERATION...those are the ones that ruin it for the union members who truly work like I did and I believe you were one of those also with the passion you have behind this. It pissed me off to know end when I would bust my hump day in day out and others who sat and did nothing got the same pay same raises same benefits etc...

Want to call me a union basher that's fine call me what you want but I've been there I know what it's like there are a lot of good people in them and a lot of bad...and unfortunately the bad always takes over...

The employees must be doing better than I thought. If they can afford to strike they are doing good. If they were in poor shape they would continue to work under the old contacts while negotiating the new. Both unions and management need to clean their acts. Management compensation is not commensurate with management contributions. GM and their workers lost my business years ago with their paint jobs on trucks that lasted until you drove off the lot, doors rusting thru quickly, AC units failing quickly, leaks in trunk. Took me a while to learn but never again.

GM management is now rated better than in the past and better than Ford and Chrysler from several sources I have read.
In my lifetime I have had 4 Ford products, 2 Chrysler's, and 11 GM products of which 3 were 2500 diesels. In that time I had a recall for possible water leaks in the trunk of which there was not a leak. Several other recalls such as inspection of seat belts twice and 1 possible cable pinch on the electric seat. One AC failure on a 1977, a door lock that fell into the door, 3 glow plugs and a failed EGR valve and 1 clearcoat area on my GMC Jimmy back in the late 70's.

EDIT: On the subject of temporary/part time workers, all of the Big 3 do this

Starting in '73 I have paid dues to Teamsters when the job required it, and at the end of job pulled a withdraw card. And on more than a few occasions, when a driver said he wanted to go union, I sold him the truck, owner finance, pay as you work it. (Most that bought my old junk are still driving their on truck, some more successful than I ever was) For 2 years, before it was noticed, the "Proud to be Teamster" sticker, they required me to run on tailgate, read "I Bribe Teamster" (Issue with company leased to, union "if you was a driver we could... but you own the truck so, be sure you get the dues in next month).
Now somebody mentioned unions encouraging "class warfare" between workers and management. Fact is, unity between workers is the only defense against management, as the representative of capital in a country where capital controls the government. (Court just ruled the US government can target a working person for death, and does not have to give that person reason for the target so he can prove he should not be killed.)
Talk about the danger of parking brand x in brand y factory parking lot. I have discussed this with UAW members. Ask what percentage of your income do you spend on car? A better place to slice tires, IMHO, would be cars with UAW stickers in Walmart parking lot.
Complaining about the taxpayers picking up the cost of past retirees? Think about that for a minute. Yes, the retirees are getting paid buy the Gov, but not the total of what was promised. OTOH, Management promised to pay what the company could not afford. Can you say the management was doing a good job, earning their pay? But AFAIK, the upper management got everything that was promised. But it is the workers fault?
Workers ahead of loan holders in bankruptcy court? My issue is this so rarely happens.
Are some unions corrupt? Yes, but as a country we celebrate the corrupt.

I don't see where the money is going to come from. GM stock has been basically flat ever since they went public again, GM is exiting the car business because they are not competitive, I am seeing adds for $12,000 off on their new trucks, GM's self-driving car business seems to have flopped, they have basically failed in electric cars and the only thing that I have seen advertised other than discounts is a nifty tailgate. When you add in that by historical standards we are already overdue for a recession in general and the auto business in particular things aren't looking good for GM. I sold my stock in GM several months ago.

As for the amount the negotiations themselves, if all of the UAW workers in my area quit I believe that GM could get qualified replacements as fast as they could process the paperwork for at least a 30% discount. Then GM would have a fighting chance in the market. I dare the UAW to test that theory.

GM profit figures translate to healthy profit-sharing bonuses for GM UAW workers. Each member will receive a $10,750 profit-sharing check on Feb. 22,2019. The figure follows company profits, thus, the bonus is down from $11,750 last year. GM typically leads in its profit-sharing bonuses for UAW members. Ford announced a $7,600 profit-sharing check for its employees coming this March. Fiat Chrysler Automobiles hasn’t disclosed its earning yet.

GM said since 2010 it has paid more than $80,500 to each UAW employee in profit-sharing checks. GM pays an average of $1,000 per billion of profits which were 10.8 in 2018.

Ford profits down more than 50 percent in 2018. Dearborn — Ford Motor Co. made $3.7 billion in 2018, a 52 percent slip in profit compared to the year prior, due largely to poor performance from the company's Chinese and European businesses.Jan 23, 2019. Historical daily share price chart and data for Ford Motor since 1972 adjusted for splits. The latest closing stock price for Ford Motor as of September 24, 2019 is 9.11. and is rated "Junk"

The all-time high Ford Motor stock closing price was 42.45 on May 03, 1999.
Along with GM, Ford and Chrysler are existing or greatly reducing their car businesses in favor of trucks, crossovers and SUVs. Honda has said they believe there is still a market for sedans and it appears the other auto makers feel the same way.
Remember when people were dumping trucks and SUV's when oil prices soar? Is that going to happen again?

Huntindog wrote:

I do not know the specifics of the UAW/GM dispute. Though on the face of it they appear to have it better than us... But I am not jealous of those that are doing better than us.. There will always be some that do better, as well as those that do worse.
Many people seem to think that nobody deserves to do better than them... I am of the opinion that this attitude holds everyone back.

I am with you on this sentiment, but this mentality is not shared with any union or union member I have ever dealt with especially when it comes to white collar workers or executives. The one's I have dealt with believe they are the ones who think nobody deserves better than them.

NEGATIVE SIR....only half...the corrupt half...the half that want it all for nothing without working for it
I've been there seen that lived it

More bashing.
I'm a retired journeyman aircraft tool builder with over 40 years experience in dealing with UAW union....Transport workers union (aerospace).....AFL/CIO union. I've been a member of good standing for all those years so I know worker bashing and exaggeration about the workers when I hear it.
Like I said this is just another anti union troll thread with the same bashers we had the last anti american worker thread which has nothing new to report.

I don't see where the money is going to come from. GM stock has been basically flat ever since they went public again, GM is exiting the car business because they are not competitive, I am seeing adds for $12,000 off on their new trucks, GM's self-driving car business seems to have flopped, they have basically failed in electric cars and the only thing that I have seen advertised other than discounts is a nifty tailgate. When you add in that by historical standards we are already overdue for a recession in general and the auto business in particular things aren't looking good for GM. I sold my stock in GM several months ago.

As for the amount the negotiations themselves, if all of the UAW workers in my area quit I believe that GM could get qualified replacements as fast as they could process the paperwork for at least a 30% discount. Then GM would have a fighting chance in the market. I dare the UAW to test that theory.

JIMNLIN wrote:

librty02 wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:
hot dawgs...another bash the American worker troll thread.

Not a troll thread a truth thread...they seem to be bashing themselves...and as a former 10 year union worker that was the worst 10 years of my career. The higher ups in the union only wanted to help themselves and were in cahoots with the company reps...they all got more as the avg union employee got dumped on. Union reps didn't care about their own union brothers and sisters only wanted to load their own pockets. It was a disaster full of lies and corruption. I'm not saying all are bad but there is enough of them and those are the ones ruling the nest ruining american jobs for everyone. If GM were to fold and give them what all they demand that overpriced 70k truck will be a cool 90k in the next year or two and what hard working avg American household can afford a 90k truck?!?!

LOL...you make my point.

NEGATIVE SIR....only half...the corrupt half...the half that want it all for nothing without working for it
I've been there seen that lived it :R
So yes in a sense bashing the american worker who wants everything handed to them without doing anything for it and it happens and ruins it for the other half of the american workers who work hard and just want to make a decent living without upset. That other half ruins it for all of those good folks...and for us other americans too to be able to afford these things we want in life...