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thomas201
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Feb 23, 2020

Hauling a heavy camper and towing

We are working on leaving the 5th wheel business and entering the truck camper side. We have hit the lower 48 and parts of Canada. We are looking to spend the next 10 years, more in the boonies, plus bringing the 48 CJ2.
So the camper first, the floor plan that hits the high spot is the Eagle Cap 1165. This is not open for debate, unless the boss changes her mind. She likes the kitchen. It is a heavy son of a gun; I make it loaded with our stuff at about 6000 pounds.
By using the 2020 Ford towing guide, and following their description that the camper payload, is minus 6 people at 150 pounds each sitting in the seats. So for crew cabs, with us and our usual cab junk, I can add back about 400 pounds.
We then have in the F350 4X4 dully with the 6.2, 6108 pounds; the 7.3, 6112 pounds; and the 6.7, 5367 pounds. The F450 is even lower, since it and the F350 are both 14,000 pound gross vehicles. I will also need an additional 450 pounds when we bring the jeep on its trailer.
So, how do you folks haul those heavy campers, let alone pull a boat or a trailer?
My solution would be a F450 chassis cab, with a 16,000 pound gross. I and a welder nephew would fab a minimum bed, or really a platform, just above frame rail height, box in the wheel wells, and add a few tool boxes in empty areas. The price, using MSRP, looks to be very similar.
However, one more question. Some say that the F450 pickup and chassis cab are really the same creature and the 14,000 pound limit on the pickup is just a paper function. In other words the F450 would be fine with the weight. So is the 2,000 pound difference between the trucks just paper?
  • It is hard to find direct comparison between bedded trucks and C&C, but my 2006 F350 not only had bigger WB than bedded truck but suspension look about as heavy as F450 flatbed I used to own before.
    The issue is having thousands topic on the forum and main confusion is that numbers printed on door pillars are taxable GVW, not the real capacity.
    If you want real life comparison - get rear axle capacity and compare it to what actual weight is.
  • The frames and springs are different on chassis models no matter if it’s a F350 or F450. AFAIK, the axles and tires are the same.

    One thing to keep in mind is that older model F450s had a higher GVWR. For instance, mine is 14500. That means my F450 has a higher payload capacity than any 350/3500 that is also 4x4 and CC. True that a F450 is heavier, so it would be slightly less if the GVWR is the same as a F350. Another thing to keep in mind is that some people’s insurance and registration is higher with a F350 vs F450. The ride is likely to be rougher as well especially unloaded since F450s run 19.5s in almost all years.

    If you absolutely want to stay under GVWR, you will need a chassis. There are a few people who’ve had bodies made for them for extra storage and even adapted pickup beds. One of the issues is frame width is different on chassis trucks so it isn’t a simple bolt on.
  • 14klb is just a paper limit on the F450 pickup. Even moreso than it is on the F350.
    Chassis cab is another step up from both.

    Any of them will handle the camper and tow a small trailer just fine. The bigger the truck, the stouter it will be though.
    10 years full time with that camper, and towing, I’d get the 450 cab and chassis if I had the choice.
    But I’d add a zero to the number and a big C badge to the fenders! Lol
  • PU 450 and 450/550 chassis cabs are not the same.

    Lot's of threads/posts on this for sure. Never heard anyone wish they had less truck. And you are right...these things are heavy.
  • “So is the 2,000 pound difference between the trucks just paper?”

    You seem to trust Ford but not their numbers.