HEY we need a sticky for our TT pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Picked up our latest rig yesterday. We sold the Dodge 3500 Diesel and the 36' Jayco 5th wheel. Back to a TT and a family TV.

2002 Suburban Z71 we got last week. Yesterday picked up the 2010 KZ Spree 240BHS. It's a perfect combination and tows very nice.

My F150 is rated the same. 11,500 and 1,150 tongue. That's 10%.

Nice trailer! Do you have any trip reports posted on your trips around the US?

Ok, last weight related question from me...but in my defense, I did provide a ton of photos :-)

If Nissan specs a 9,100 tow capacity, then why would they also spec a 910lb max tongue weight if 13% of 9,100 is 1,183?

Boats that weigh 9100 pounds typically have a five percent tongue weight Utility trailers and perhaps other trailers could also have a ten percent or less tongue weight.

The best way to deal with the Nissan's real towing capacity as per the receiver is to mathematically computate what a 910 pound tongue weight would equate to for a total trailer weight. And don't forget the hitch that can easily be another 75 or more pounds. A tongue weight of around 835 pounds (910 minus the hitch at 75 or so pounds equals 835 pounds available for the trailer tongue) and that equates to a trailer weight of around 6500 pounds using 13 percent. It can be depressing when the math is done as to what a real towing weight capacity is.

DavidP wrote:

rangerbait wrote:

DavidP wrote:


Nice trailer. How does the Armada do in pulling that house? I too tow with an Armada and it is a very capable sure footed workhorse but that is a lot of trailer. 35 feet and 7400 dry is well exceeding the Armada’s capabilities. Sure, it will pull it and with the power and torque of the Armada it will pull it just fine but the length and potentially the weight puts that trailer in ¾ ton land.

Enjoy the trailer!

I realize at that weight the trailer will be approaching the max per the Armada's tow rating (9,000lbs), but curious as to why you say it's exceeding its capabilities? I'm looking at the ProPride hitch system as an option if the sway is unruly, even with the friction sway bar. I'll be taking it out on the road for an evaluation ride in a few days, and will report back.

At 7400 dry you would need at minimum 960+ on the tongue. No one tows a dry camper so let’s say your are 8000 loaded, that puts over 1040 in needed tongue weight. Once cargo and passengers are in the truck you are likely over your payload. Even if you manage to stay under the payload somehow you will most likely be over in tongue weight. You should have at least 13% of total trailer weight in TW. This would put you over in tongue weight. I think the total weight and 35 foot length of your trailer is too much for the Armada. I speak from experience and have towed with the Armada for over 10 years. It is a great capable TV but like everything has its limits and I believe your trailer goes past those limits. At a minimum I don’t see how you will stay under the Max Payload. I don’t doubt the Armada’s capabilities, the truck is truly a beast. I pull just under a 30 footer loaded at about 6300 lbs. and 900 on the tongue. I have towed this set up for 6 years including much of the NC and VA mountains each year. We also pulled this setup to Florida the last 6 years. I know the capabilities of this truck as well or better than most. In my opinion your trailer exceeds the Armada capabilities. Just because the trailer weighs in under the max tow there is much more to consider. The hitch is important and the one you’re looking at is a good one but it will not alter/increase hard numbers of either truck or trailer. Good luck and enjoy the trailer.

Ok, last weight related question from me...but in my defense, I did provide a ton of photos :-)

If Nissan specs a 9,100 tow capacity, then why would they also spec a 910lb max tongue weight if 13% of 9,100 is 1,183?

pk1023 wrote:
Jesus, do we have to have the weight discussion here too? Can't we just look at pretty pictures and let people make their own mistakes?

Not sure if Jesus will join the discussion. A question was asked and couple people answered. I tow with the same vehicle and asked a few questions and shared some info and my experience.

Jesus, do we have to have the weight discussion here too? Can't we just look at pretty pictures and let people make their own mistakes?

rangerbait wrote:

DavidP wrote:


Nice trailer. How does the Armada do in pulling that house? I too tow with an Armada and it is a very capable sure footed workhorse but that is a lot of trailer. 35 feet and 7400 dry is well exceeding the Armada’s capabilities. Sure, it will pull it and with the power and torque of the Armada it will pull it just fine but the length and potentially the weight puts that trailer in ¾ ton land.

Enjoy the trailer!

I realize at that weight the trailer will be approaching the max per the Armada's tow rating (9,000lbs), but curious as to why you say it's exceeding its capabilities? I'm looking at the ProPride hitch system as an option if the sway is unruly, even with the friction sway bar. I'll be taking it out on the road for an evaluation ride in a few days, and will report back.

At 7400 dry you would need at minimum 960+ on the tongue. No one tows a dry camper so let’s say your are 8000 loaded, that puts over 1040 in needed tongue weight. Once cargo and passengers are in the truck you are likely over your payload. Even if you manage to stay under the payload somehow you will most likely be over in tongue weight. You should have at least 13% of total trailer weight in TW. This would put you over in tongue weight. I think the total weight and 35 foot length of your trailer is too much for the Armada. I speak from experience and have towed with the Armada for over 10 years. It is a great capable TV but like everything has its limits and I believe your trailer goes past those limits. At a minimum I don’t see how you will stay under the Max Payload. I don’t doubt the Armada’s capabilities, the truck is truly a beast. I pull just under a 30 footer loaded at about 6300 lbs. and 900 on the tongue. I have towed this set up for 6 years including much of the NC and VA mountains each year. We also pulled this setup to Florida the last 6 years. I know the capabilities of this truck as well or better than most. In my opinion your trailer exceeds the Armada capabilities. Just because the trailer weighs in under the max tow there is much more to consider. The hitch is important and the one you’re looking at is a good one but it will not alter/increase hard numbers of either truck or trailer. Good luck and enjoy the trailer.

rangerbait wrote:

DavidP wrote:


Nice trailer. How does the Armada do in pulling that house? I too tow with an Armada and it is a very capable sure footed workhorse but that is a lot of trailer. 35 feet and 7400 dry is well exceeding the Armada’s capabilities. Sure, it will pull it and with the power and torque of the Armada it will pull it just fine but the length and potentially the weight puts that trailer in ¾ ton land.

Enjoy the trailer!

I realize at that weight the trailer will be approaching the max per the Armada's tow rating (9,000lbs), but curious as to why you say it's exceeding its capabilities? I'm looking at the ProPride hitch system as an option if the sway is unruly, even with the friction sway bar. I'll be taking it out on the road for an evaluation ride in a few days, and will report back.

Good idea on another hitch. When we had a TT (actually several), we went from a 27 to a 32 and just the length caused problems with our then tow vehicle an F250 short bed. We invested in a Hensley Arrow and it made all the difference in the world and for safety too.

rangerbait wrote:


I realize at that weight the trailer will be approaching the max per the Armada's tow rating (9,000lbs), but curious as to why you say it's exceeding its capabilities? I'm looking at the ProPride hitch system as an option if the sway is unruly, even with the friction sway bar. I'll be taking it out on the road for an evaluation ride in a few days, and will report back.

I think he's suggesting that you'll be pushing or exceeding your capabilities not because of the tow rating (which will be close in it's own right), but because you'll likely end up very close, or over, the payload capability of the Armada.

Payload capacity on the Armada varies from about 1300lbs to about 1700lbs, probably depending on trim package, 2wd vs 4wd, etc.

So if you run the numbers for your trailer, you'll see how quickly you can approach your payload max.

That 7400lb dry weight trailer may weigh a few hundred pounds more, as dry weight usually doesn't include options. But we'll use 7400 weight anyway. Add 1000lbs in gear, as an average. We add less, but most people add more. That makes 8400lbs, assuming you travel with completely empty water/sewer tanks. If your hitch weight is 13% (fairly standard), that's 1092 lbs. Add 75-100lbs for your weight distributing hitch. You're close to 1200lbs already out of your 1300-1700lbs of cargo.

And that's an empty tow vehicle, aside from the driver. How many passengers will you have? How much will they weigh? As little as one 100lb passenger COULD put you at your limit. Or, over, if your TT is actually more than 7400lbs, or you add more than 1000lbs of gear to the trailer, or you want to carry water with you.

This is a pics thread, not a weight police thread, so I'll leave it at that. Just run ALL of your numbers very carefully, get some accurate scale weights rather than guestimating and put a LOT of attention on payload/cargo capacity of the Armada, more than overall towing capacity. Keep it safe for you and your family.

Been Lurking here for a while so thought I'd share. I've enjoyed Seeing everyone's rigs.

New-ish (6 months old) 2015 Winnebago Ultralight 27rbds. So far we are enjoying it a lot. Currently prepping for a 2 month, 4200 mile trip this summer.