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SidecarFlip wrote:
I agree that at this stage of life I would rather spend my money on life experiences instead of more acquisitions. Good friend said it best, (Money can't buy you more time).
I'm retired.... My savings goes for hunting trips, not vehicle payments.
Having said that, if I did buy a new truck (highly unlikely) I would pay cash, just like I did for my new car. Retired and payments don't go well together (unless it's something that appreciates (like real estate).- I'm retired.... My savings goes for hunting trips, not vehicle payments.
Having said that, if I did buy a new truck (highly unlikely) I would pay cash, just like I did for my new car. Retired and payments don't go well together (unless it's something that appreciates (like real estate). - It's all good to be proud of your old truck, I'm certainly proud of my old 78' Ford, and she turns heads ever time I drive her. Been in the family since new.
It's also all good to feel the new trucks are overpriced. I feel the same way about the housing market in our area right now.
But to claim the new ones are built cheap and can't hold up to daily work as well as the old trucks is just foolish. The new trucks from all 3 brands can out haul, out tow, and outperform the older trucks in almost every category. - "You can purchase a diesel truck for way less than $60k without all the gizmos and such.
The Chevy tailgate feels lighter because it has an internal spring that helps lift the tailgate so it doesn't feel as heavy.
We had some of the OBS trucks years ago and I always thought were some of the best looking trucks, but the new Super Duty's are so much better in so many ways.
Having said that I respect your choice to keep your truck long term and that you still enjoy it. I would hope your still driving way past another 10 years. My parents are in their mid seventy's and just recently purchased a new diesel truck so you never know. "
In 10 years I'll be 78. I'll be lucky if I can see, let alone drive a new pickup truck.
Far as the tailgates go. thats off the truck weight, not on the truck. His is about half the weight of mine. It takes my wife and I to get mine off and on, I can put his on and not ever strain.
I'm sure the new trucks are better in many ways but mine is paid for and is light years simpler to maintain and repair. At 67, I still do everything myself from oil changes to grease jobs (you can actually grease my truck it has grease fittings....) to changing tires (I own a tire changer and balance machine), I can even do engine work and have before. I have to be careful where I lay tools, I'm getting forgetful however..... SidecarFlip wrote:
blofgren wrote:
SidecarFlip wrote:
Pickup trucks today cost as much as our farm did 30 years ago and the farm makes money.
They are all overpriced.
Guess that is why I still have my 97 F350. Besides, it has no rust and runs good.
I don't have a tailgate step, I use an inverted 5 gallon bucket.
I don't have DEF, no worries there, no emissions stuff to go bad at all.
I have minimal electronics to fail.
My diesel smokes. If it didn't something is a miss.
My 97 gets 21 empty, 16 pulling and 19 with my TC in the bed.
It's been paid for, for so long, I cannot remember when it wasn't paid for.
If it breaks (which is rare), I can fix it myself.
I', real happy with an old school truck and it always gets comments about how good it looks. People appreciate old school OBS Ford pickup trucks.
At 67, I don't plan on buying another This one has been mine since 1997, a 21 year love affair.
Something I find interesting, one of my friends has a new Chevy Silverado Duramax 3/4 ton and his tailgate (steel) weighs maybe half of what mine weighs. He borrowed my Quad a few months ago and my loading ramps and bent his tailgate loading the quad. real strong' stuff there I'd say. I found it funny in a way. I've never had an issue loading my quad in my Ford.
They build them thinner and cheaper every year but the price keeps climbing.
I had a 1996 F-250 S/C 4x4 7.3L 5 speed manual that I bought new. I kick myself to this day for selling it and I too still love the Ford OBS.
Saying that I'm not sure that I would want to go back to it as my trailer puller after having the truck in my signature. The Ram is so much more comfortable, capable, and quieter. I would still like to have a cherry OBS as a Sunday driver, though!
My OBS is very capable (it's all built by Ford SVO). Rides nice with our TC in the bed and it's an XLT loaded so it's really a Lariat.
Me, I like to hear the engine and see the smokie when it's workimg and it's very cherry and always turns heads because it's unusual to see one with no rust, dents and all spiffed up.
21 empty, 19 with the camper in the bed and 15-16 pulling my usually oveloaded tandem gooseneck.
Best thing is, of course, no payments since I cannot remember when.
I could never bring myself to pay 60 grand for a truck that does nothing but depreciate. Mine is actually going the other way because it is an OBS, 4wd 4 door 1 ton. Very hard to find unit.
Besides, I don't have any desire to add DEF or drive something that down the road will have issues (maybe) with the emissions hardware. I don't have any. Fine with me.
The last year I worked, I got to see first hand, just how lowest bidder components held up in real world conditions in Class 8 trucks. They don't and a lot of the same components are used in light duty trucks too.
Mine smokes, the engine rattles, I don't have all those 'gizmo's' like built in GPS or tire pressure monitoring systems, heated seats, auto dimming lights and some voice to remind you to fasten your seat belt or the door isn't closed, I drive by the seat of my pants...I like it that way.
Now, if I won a new truck in a contest, I'd surely pay the sales tax on it and drive it, but to buy one, no way. Bought mine new in 97 and it's 2017 and it just turned 99 thousand. It should go just fine another 10 years and by that time, I don't expect to be driving anymore.
You can purchase a diesel truck for way less than $60k without all the gizmos and such.
The Chevy tailgate feels lighter because it has an internal spring that helps lift the tailgate so it doesn't feel as heavy.
We had some of the OBS trucks years ago and I always thought were some of the best looking trucks, but the new Super Duty's are so much better in so many ways.
Having said that I respect your choice to keep your truck long term and that you still enjoy it. I would hope your still driving way past another 10 years. My parents are in their mid seventy's and just recently purchased a new diesel truck so you never know.spoon059 wrote:
BB_TX wrote:
I am going to assume you have never actually seen the Ford tailgate step as it is inside the tailgate and cannot even be seen until you pull it straight back out of the tailgate and let it drop down. And you can definitely flat load things over it that are longer than the bed since the tailgate is flat with the bed, with the step in or out.
Never assume things... My friend has a 2016 F350 and LOVES it, but there are times he wishes he didn't have the ladder step. When he loads bales of hay to feed his horses, it won't slide off his tailgate, it gets caught up on the tailgate step because his sticks up a little bit. This is his SECOND tailgate (first one was stolen earlier this year, $6000 to replace it) and they both protruded and caused issues with hay bales.
BB_TX is referring to Fords 2017 tailgate step that is completely inside the tailgate unlike your friends 2016 truck which has the pole external to the tailgate.blofgren wrote:
SidecarFlip wrote:
Pickup trucks today cost as much as our farm did 30 years ago and the farm makes money.
They are all overpriced.
Guess that is why I still have my 97 F350. Besides, it has no rust and runs good.
I don't have a tailgate step, I use an inverted 5 gallon bucket.
I don't have DEF, no worries there, no emissions stuff to go bad at all.
I have minimal electronics to fail.
My diesel smokes. If it didn't something is a miss.
My 97 gets 21 empty, 16 pulling and 19 with my TC in the bed.
It's been paid for, for so long, I cannot remember when it wasn't paid for.
If it breaks (which is rare), I can fix it myself.
I', real happy with an old school truck and it always gets comments about how good it looks. People appreciate old school OBS Ford pickup trucks.
At 67, I don't plan on buying another This one has been mine since 1997, a 21 year love affair.
Something I find interesting, one of my friends has a new Chevy Silverado Duramax 3/4 ton and his tailgate (steel) weighs maybe half of what mine weighs. He borrowed my Quad a few months ago and my loading ramps and bent his tailgate loading the quad. real strong' stuff there I'd say. I found it funny in a way. I've never had an issue loading my quad in my Ford.
They build them thinner and cheaper every year but the price keeps climbing.
I had a 1996 F-250 S/C 4x4 7.3L 5 speed manual that I bought new. I kick myself to this day for selling it and I too still love the Ford OBS.
Saying that I'm not sure that I would want to go back to it as my trailer puller after having the truck in my signature. The Ram is so much more comfortable, capable, and quieter. I would still like to have a cherry OBS as a Sunday driver, though!
My OBS is very capable (it's all built by Ford SVO). Rides nice with our TC in the bed and it's an XLT loaded so it's really a Lariat.
Me, I like to hear the engine and see the smokie when it's workimg and it's very cherry and always turns heads because it's unusual to see one with no rust, dents and all spiffed up.
21 empty, 19 with the camper in the bed and 15-16 pulling my usually oveloaded tandem gooseneck.
Best thing is, of course, no payments since I cannot remember when.
I could never bring myself to pay 60 grand for a truck that does nothing but depreciate. Mine is actually going the other way because it is an OBS, 4wd 4 door 1 ton. Very hard to find unit.
Besides, I don't have any desire to add DEF or drive something that down the road will have issues (maybe) with the emissions hardware. I don't have any. Fine with me.
The last year I worked, I got to see first hand, just how lowest bidder components held up in real world conditions in Class 8 trucks. They don't and a lot of the same components are used in light duty trucks too.
Mine smokes, the engine rattles, I don't have all those 'gizmo's' like built in GPS or tire pressure monitoring systems, heated seats, auto dimming lights and some voice to remind you to fasten your seat belt or the door isn't closed, I drive by the seat of my pants...I like it that way.
Now, if I won a new truck in a contest, I'd surely pay the sales tax on it and drive it, but to buy one, no way. Bought mine new in 97 and it's 2017 and it just turned 99 thousand. It should go just fine another 10 years and by that time, I don't expect to be driving anymore.RedRocket204 wrote:
SidecarFlip wrote:
RedRocket204 wrote:
SidecarFlip wrote:
Something I find interesting, one of my friends has a new Chevy Silverado Duramax 3/4 ton and his tailgate (steel) weighs maybe half of what mine weighs. He borrowed my Quad a few months ago and my loading ramps and bent his tailgate loading the quad. real strong' stuff there I'd say. I found it funny in a way. I've never had an issue loading my quad in my Ford.
They build them thinner and cheaper every year but the price keeps climbing.
Your friend must've done something very wrong or there was a problem with his.
I've got plenty of friends who bed load their big bore quads (850lbs +), myself included, in their modern truck and no one has ever had an issue with a tailgate.
So no, I don't agree with your opinion.
I have no opinion (and I didn't sate one either). I merely stated what happened. I don't have a new truck and correct, I didn't load it, he did. I do know the tailgate weighs about half what mine does.
"They build them thinner and cheaper every year but..."
That is an opinion which I'm not in agreement with. However, I do agree with your opinion about them being overpriced.
Halfway is better than no way....lolSidecarFlip wrote:
RedRocket204 wrote:
SidecarFlip wrote:
Something I find interesting, one of my friends has a new Chevy Silverado Duramax 3/4 ton and his tailgate (steel) weighs maybe half of what mine weighs. He borrowed my Quad a few months ago and my loading ramps and bent his tailgate loading the quad. real strong' stuff there I'd say. I found it funny in a way. I've never had an issue loading my quad in my Ford.
They build them thinner and cheaper every year but the price keeps climbing.
Your friend must've done something very wrong or there was a problem with his.
I've got plenty of friends who bed load their big bore quads (850lbs +), myself included, in their modern truck and no one has ever had an issue with a tailgate.
So no, I don't agree with your opinion.
I have no opinion (and I didn't sate one either). I merely stated what happened. I don't have a new truck and correct, I didn't load it, he did. I do know the tailgate weighs about half what mine does.
"They build them thinner and cheaper every year but..."
That is an opinion which I'm not in agreement with. However, I do agree with your opinion about them being overpriced.SidecarFlip wrote:
Pickup trucks today cost as much as our farm did 30 years ago and the farm makes money.
They are all overpriced.
Guess that is why I still have my 97 F350. Besides, it has no rust and runs good.
I don't have a tailgate step, I use an inverted 5 gallon bucket.
I don't have DEF, no worries there, no emissions stuff to go bad at all.
I have minimal electronics to fail.
My diesel smokes. If it didn't something is a miss.
My 97 gets 21 empty, 16 pulling and 19 with my TC in the bed.
It's been paid for, for so long, I cannot remember when it wasn't paid for.
If it breaks (which is rare), I can fix it myself.
I', real happy with an old school truck and it always gets comments about how good it looks. People appreciate old school OBS Ford pickup trucks.
At 67, I don't plan on buying another This one has been mine since 1997, a 21 year love affair.
Something I find interesting, one of my friends has a new Chevy Silverado Duramax 3/4 ton and his tailgate (steel) weighs maybe half of what mine weighs. He borrowed my Quad a few months ago and my loading ramps and bent his tailgate loading the quad. real strong' stuff there I'd say. I found it funny in a way. I've never had an issue loading my quad in my Ford.
They build them thinner and cheaper every year but the price keeps climbing.
I had a 1996 F-250 S/C 4x4 7.3L 5 speed manual that I bought new. I kick myself to this day for selling it and I too still love the Ford OBS.
Saying that I'm not sure that I would want to go back to it as my trailer puller after having the truck in my signature. The Ram is so much more comfortable, capable, and quieter. I would still like to have a cherry OBS as a Sunday driver, though!
