Tystevens wrote:
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I don't 'need' 400/800 for any trailer we are likely to buy. But the Ecodiesel and Ecoboost, nice packages though they may be, aren't *quite* enough for the family sized trailers. And I do use my truck as a daily driver, so I'd like at least reasonable fuel economy when not towing. So I can see a niche for this truck, as long as the numbers match up.
rear 10.5-inch live axle, which is the same unit as in the Ram Power Wagon
john&bet wrote:AH64ID wrote:Which came first, the chicken or the egg? I guess you do not realize where I live, but that is ok.rjstractor wrote:john&bet wrote:
And which engine is it a modification of?
ISV 5.0
They are both brand new engines. How do you know the MD ISV isn't a modified version of the engine developed for LD use?
AH64ID wrote:Which came first, the chicken or the egg? I guess you do not realize where I live, but that is ok.rjstractor wrote:john&bet wrote:
And which engine is it a modification of?
ISV 5.0
They are both brand new engines. How do you know the MD ISV isn't a modified version of the engine developed for LD use?
AH64ID wrote:
They are both brand new engines. How do you know the MD ISV isn't a modified version of the engine developed for LD use?
IdaD wrote:mkirsch wrote:IdaD wrote:mkirsch wrote:
A 5.0L Cummins? A V8 no less?
What's the point? It's not that much smaller than the venerable 5.9L. Probably weighs just as much.
The Fiat diesel in the 1500 Rams is a much better match for that size/capacity truck.
It's a modified version of one of their medium duty commercial engines, so it isn't an all new design. It could prove to be a really great motor. In fact I'd be real interested in seeing it in a Ram 2500.
I've had very good personal experiences with Nissan over the years. They went through a bit of a quality swoon for a while but seem to be back in good shape again. My guess is this Titan XD will suddenly make the Titan relevant again.
It could be the greatest engine ever. That's not the point.
The point is that is an engine that could run toe-to-toe with the Cumminses, Powerstrokes, and Duramaxes of just a few years ago. It is a heavy engine capable of moving a 13-ton rig down the road with prejudice, in a lightweight truck chassis capable of handling about half that. Taking up precious payload capacity. Burning unnecessary amounts of fuel. Good if you're looking for a hot rod. Bad if you're looking to actually use the truck for something.
We have no idea how lightweight the chassis is - it's supposedly a heavier frame than the regular half ton Titan, with associated heavier axles, transmission, transfer case, etc. At least that's what Nissan is saying. I guess we'll find out when the GVWR comes out.
I'm sure this is a truck that many 3/4 or 1 ton owners are going to snicker at but there's no question in my mind that it fills a niche for buyers who want diesel truck in between the capabilities of a Ram 1500 with 1400 or whatever pounds of payload capacity and a Ram 2500 with 800 foot pounds of torque and a 17,000 lb tow rating. I read somewhere that the average heavy duty truck owner tows around 9,000 lbs, which makes sense to me regardless of what the ratings say, that's a lot of trailer for a regular half ton to be pulling. For that type of trailer, this Nissan might make a lot of sense (especially for those of us living in the west dealing with elevation and mountains).
Frankly I'd love to see this engine in a Ram 2500 as well. Then you could get the full three quarter ton package at a lower cost with likely better fuel economy. This engine actually has more HP and torque than my dad's 2000 7.3 PSD, so I don't think it would feel under powered in a 2500.
mkirsch wrote:IdaD wrote:mkirsch wrote:
A 5.0L Cummins? A V8 no less?
What's the point? It's not that much smaller than the venerable 5.9L. Probably weighs just as much.
The Fiat diesel in the 1500 Rams is a much better match for that size/capacity truck.
It's a modified version of one of their medium duty commercial engines, so it isn't an all new design. It could prove to be a really great motor. In fact I'd be real interested in seeing it in a Ram 2500.
I've had very good personal experiences with Nissan over the years. They went through a bit of a quality swoon for a while but seem to be back in good shape again. My guess is this Titan XD will suddenly make the Titan relevant again.
It could be the greatest engine ever. That's not the point.
The point is that is an engine that could run toe-to-toe with the Cumminses, Powerstrokes, and Duramaxes of just a few years ago. It is a heavy engine capable of moving a 13-ton rig down the road with prejudice, in a lightweight truck chassis capable of handling about half that. Taking up precious payload capacity. Burning unnecessary amounts of fuel. Good if you're looking for a hot rod. Bad if you're looking to actually use the truck for something.
IdaD wrote:mkirsch wrote:
A 5.0L Cummins? A V8 no less?
What's the point? It's not that much smaller than the venerable 5.9L. Probably weighs just as much.
The Fiat diesel in the 1500 Rams is a much better match for that size/capacity truck.
It's a modified version of one of their medium duty commercial engines, so it isn't an all new design. It could prove to be a really great motor. In fact I'd be real interested in seeing it in a Ram 2500.
I've had very good personal experiences with Nissan over the years. They went through a bit of a quality swoon for a while but seem to be back in good shape again. My guess is this Titan XD will suddenly make the Titan relevant again.
IdaD wrote:And which engine is it a modification of?mkirsch wrote:
A 5.0L Cummins? A V8 no less?
What's the point? It's not that much smaller than the venerable 5.9L. Probably weighs just as much.
The Fiat diesel in the 1500 Rams is a much better match for that size/capacity truck.
It's a modified version of one of their medium duty commercial engines, so it isn't an all new design. It could prove to be a really great motor. In fact I'd be real interested in seeing it in a Ram 2500.
I've had very good personal experiences with Nissan over the years. They went through a bit of a quality swoon for a while but seem to be back in good shape again. My guess is this Titan XD will suddenly make the Titan relevant again.
