I didn't see this coming!Pierce pumper with Powerstroke DieselI don't see this powertrain revolutionizing the fire service world, but it might turn out to be a good option for a smaller department in a flat area. It's down on horsepower and way down on torque compared to Pierce's top of the line apparatus, but with the right gearing it should perform ok on the flat. Pierce is one of the top manufacturers of fire apparatus in the world, so apparently they have a lot of confidence in this powertrain.

Good for Ford, but I'm having trouble figuring out why this configuration would be offered when there are so many others already out there. Reading the material on Pierce's site sounded an awful lot like Ford advertising material! :B

V configuration engines are perfect for cab over trucks where space is an issue. That is the sole reason why Cummins made the ISV 5.0.

ShinerBock wrote:V configuration engines are perfect for cab over trucks where space is an issue. That is the sole reason why Cummins made the ISV 5.0.That's a good point. Our Pierces with Series 60 and DD13 engines have huge doghouses that take up a lot of cab space. I think that little Powerstroke would have a tough time on the hills where I work. That Saber chassis is a lot lighter than the Enforcers and Arrow XTs that we operate though.

"IF" geared correctly for the tire diam, torque and the rather tall 3.1-1 first gear of the torqueshift, one should still have 30-35% gradability at 35K-40K lbs that this rig could run down the road at. Not sure I would want it on the freeway at 60 mph, might be running some high screaming RPM! 850-1000 lb ft would be better, with a low gear in trans at 3.5 to 4-1 to go with some 5.13 to 6.x-1 gears with those taller tires would be better option in my book!Marty

Well that would work out good for our fleet. Most parts that we stock for the rescues for the 6.7 would also be used for this application. Most of our fire engines run Cummins engines which are also very reliable. Regardless I can see several Dept fleets considering this application.

Interesting new application for 6.7 Powerstroke

blofgren
Explorer
Apr 19, 2019
Good for Ford, but I'm having trouble figuring out why this configuration would be offered when there are so many others already out there. Reading the material on Pierce's site sounded an awful lot like Ford advertising material! :B
ShinerBock
Explorer
Apr 19, 2019
V configuration engines are perfect for cab over trucks where space is an issue. That is the sole reason why Cummins made the ISV 5.0.
rjstractor
Nomad
Apr 19, 2019
ShinerBock wrote:
V configuration engines are perfect for cab over trucks where space is an issue. That is the sole reason why Cummins made the ISV 5.0.

That's a good point. Our Pierces with Series 60 and DD13 engines have huge doghouses that take up a lot of cab space. I think that little Powerstroke would have a tough time on the hills where I work. That Saber chassis is a lot lighter than the Enforcers and Arrow XTs that we operate though.
blt2ski
Moderator
Apr 19, 2019
"IF" geared correctly for the tire diam, torque and the rather tall 3.1-1 first gear of the torqueshift, one should still have 30-35% gradability at 35K-40K lbs that this rig could run down the road at. Not sure I would want it on the freeway at 60 mph, might be running some high screaming RPM! 850-1000 lb ft would be better, with a low gear in trans at 3.5 to 4-1 to go with some 5.13 to 6.x-1 gears with those taller tires would be better option in my book!

Marty
kw_00
Explorer
Apr 19, 2019
Well that would work out good for our fleet. Most parts that we stock for the rescues for the 6.7 would also be used for this application. Most of our fire engines run Cummins engines which are also very reliable. Regardless I can see several Dept fleets considering this application.
stsmark
Explorer
Apr 19, 2019
This is listed under the tranny. Available live-drive power. What is it? Never heard the term before.
Thanks
theoldwizard1
Explorer II
Apr 19, 2019
WOW ! About 10 years ago, I knew a guy who was trying to convince Ford to try to get in the mini/portable pumper business ! Not build the vehicles/pumps, just provide engineering assistance in how to connect up the piece and modify the electronics. No one within the company was interested !

An F550 dually could carry a lot of water to a remote fire !
Groover
Explorer II
Apr 19, 2019
theoldwizard1 wrote:
WOW ! About 10 years ago, I knew a guy who was trying to convince Ford to try to get in the mini/portable pumper business ! Not build the vehicles/pumps, just provide engineering assistance in how to connect up the piece and modify the electronics. No one within the company was interested !

An F550 dually could carry a lot of water to a remote fire !

And the anticipated F600 will carry 15% more.
Groover
Explorer II
Apr 19, 2019
This seems awful heavy for a truck that can be used on the roads:
Front GAWR (maximum)
18,000 lb

Rear GAWR (maximum)
27,000 lb
Me_Again
Explorer III
Apr 19, 2019
I wonder if the cab comes off easy like the pickups?