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Shogun
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Jul 02, 2015

Just got some bad news, could use some perspective.

I had an order in for a 2015 F150 with the 5.0 and max payload package. I sold my 4Runner and have just been driving my F350 until the new one came.

On Tuesday I called the dealer to verify the delivery date and they informed me Ford has cancelled my order with no real help.

My dealer is doing what they can but are limited to what they can do.

So I'm thinking of this:
F150 Lariat
5.0 V8, tow package, integrated brake controller.
Super crew with the 5.5' box

This will give me a payload of just over 2000 lbs.

This should be adequate for our family with just about 100 lbs remaining payload after adding tongue weight, 4 passengers (me, wife, daughter, and dog), tonneau cover weight, and a little fudge factor for cargo and other stuff.

With this I will be back to periodic trips to the weigh scales and measuring the trailer tongue weight and loading the trailer carefully. With the F350 or the F150 with max payload package there is more room for variance.

I tow a spree 318bhs with a maximum weight of 7000 lbs and approximately 1200 lb tongue weight including my blue ox hitch which is really heavy.

Anything I am missing or have not considered.

The one bonus is that this truck will be 1 foot shorter and slightly easier to park than the super crew with a 6.5' box...
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  • SouthpawHD's avatar
    SouthpawHD
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    Jul 22, 2015
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    Shogun wrote:
    32' 7000 lb trailer with a tongue weight around 1000 lbs.

    KZ Spree 318 BHS to be specific.

    We were able to put a similar truck on weigh scales and real world weight was 2000 lbs of payload.

    So my calculations are:
    - 230 lbs for me (including stuff I would bring in the truck)
    - 150 lbs for my wife (including the stuff she would bring)
    - 100 lbs for my daughter (as above)
    - 200 lbs for tonneau cover and stuff in the box
    - 100 lbs for the dog
    - 1000 lbs for tongue weight

    That leaves me with a payload of 1780 pounds used with 220 lbs we could add if needed.

    My above given weights are way on the high side and provided my exercise plan kicks in I can shave an additional 30 pounds or more off the above ;)

    The only issue is wheel base length.

    Most of our towing in on flat prairie 4 lane highway doing approximately 95kph.

    I have the blue ox sway pro hitch which is amazing in wind along with the integrated trailer sway stuff in the truck which will likely never be needed.

    Looking at overall weights I am well under any of the limits and for the 5% of my mileage I will be towing, this truck is very adequate.

    Would a one ton dually with a massive diesel tow better yes, would my current F350 tow better yes (as far as wheel base goes but power to weight would be actually better with the 5.0 in the new F150), would the above trucks be better as a daily driver for 95% of the miles I would put on the vehicle, heck no...

    The best financial decision would be to keep the F350 until it or me dies or we stop camping, then get a 5 year old prius...


    You've done your homework for sure! Looks like you're all set to go.
  • carringb's avatar
    carringb
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    Jul 21, 2015
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    Glad you got one comping finally!

    I agree, with the small proportion of towing you do, there's nothing wrong with running right up close to the ratings, and it'll be much nicer to drive the rest of the time :)
  • Shogun's avatar
    Shogun
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    Jul 21, 2015
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    32' 7000 lb trailer with a tongue weight around 1000 lbs.

    KZ Spree 318 BHS to be specific.

    We were able to put a similar truck on weigh scales and real world weight was 2000 lbs of payload.

    So my calculations are:
    - 230 lbs for me (including stuff I would bring in the truck)
    - 150 lbs for my wife (including the stuff she would bring)
    - 100 lbs for my daughter (as above)
    - 200 lbs for tonneau cover and stuff in the box
    - 100 lbs for the dog
    - 1000 lbs for tongue weight

    That leaves me with a payload of 1780 pounds used with 220 lbs we could add if needed.

    My above given weights are way on the high side and provided my exercise plan kicks in I can shave an additional 30 pounds or more off the above ;)

    The only issue is wheel base length.

    Most of our towing in on flat prairie 4 lane highway doing approximately 95kph.

    I have the blue ox sway pro hitch which is amazing in wind along with the integrated trailer sway stuff in the truck which will likely never be needed.

    Looking at overall weights I am well under any of the limits and for the 5% of my mileage I will be towing, this truck is very adequate.

    Would a one ton dually with a massive diesel tow better yes, would my current F350 tow better yes (as far as wheel base goes but power to weight would be actually better with the 5.0 in the new F150), would the above trucks be better as a daily driver for 95% of the miles I would put on the vehicle, heck no...

    The best financial decision would be to keep the F350 until it or me dies or we stop camping, then get a 5 year old prius...
  • SouthpawHD's avatar
    SouthpawHD
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    Jul 21, 2015
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    Sorry to ask, because it has probably been answered, but are you planning on towing your TT with the new truck? What's the payload in the new truck?

    I'm asking because I have some similar weight concerns on my set-up.
  • Shogun's avatar
    Shogun
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    Jul 21, 2015
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    Just signed a deal on a F150 order (let's hope second time's a charm).

    The dealer in Carman just made me the best offer and has an affiliate dealership close to me so all should be good.

    The Ford just felt right and should meet all my needs. Nothing wrong with the GM products I tested. They were very nice.

    This was so close to call for me. The dealership I went with just gave me a very reasonable deal even after factoring in the Ford discounts and such.

    I have one big trip left for this summer and will use the F350 for the last hurrah...
  • Hunterred's avatar
    Hunterred
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    Jul 21, 2015
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    I have a 2015 GMC with the 5.3, max tow package (7600 lb GVWR). On the scale I have 1780 lbs payload with me in it. I am not sure what guys think a truck should tie like but I can run 105 k/hr on flat and hills towing our trailer and its 9100 lbs loaded for the week at 1200 lbs hitch weight. Loaded with mama and the little one we have 450 lbs available payload. For the bit of driving with the trailer we do 3000 k a year, get the truck you like to drive everyday and make sure you'll have enough payload to be safe, load and go!
  • wtd's avatar
    wtd
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    Jul 21, 2015
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    The Ford 5.0 is not without it's problems either. If you go to the Ford F150 forums as well as some of the Mustang forums, you will see quite a few posts about ticking engine issues with the 5.0 and in some cases, a new engine is needed.

    I have a 2014 Mustang GT with the 5.0 and so far no engine noises. One thing I like about the 5.0 is it does not have AFM and it is quite powerful.

    With that said, this is my first new Ford after owning many GM vehicles and I have to say, my experience with Ford's warranty service has not been very positive and is the reason that this may be my last Ford.

    It sounds like the Ford F150 is your first choice and is what you should probably get. Good luck on your search.

    Wayne
  • Shogun's avatar
    Shogun
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    Jul 20, 2015
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    Wish me luck, I just sent two offers to Ford dealerships in the area...

    Let's see who comes back with what!!!

    The GMC and Chevy's are just a bit out of my price range for the available units in inventory plus I am told the dealerships are unable to order any more units and I would have to wait until the 2016's are ready to make an order but at full cost, no incentives...

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I tow a spree 318bhs with a maximum weight of 7000 lbs and approximately 1200 lb tongue weight including my blue ox hitch which is really heavy.

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Shogun wrote:
32' 7000 lb trailer with a tongue weight around 1000 lbs.

KZ Spree 318 BHS to be specific.

We were able to put a similar truck on weigh scales and real world weight was 2000 lbs of payload.

So my calculations are:
- 230 lbs for me (including stuff I would bring in the truck)
- 150 lbs for my wife (including the stuff she would bring)
- 100 lbs for my daughter (as above)
- 200 lbs for tonneau cover and stuff in the box
- 100 lbs for the dog
- 1000 lbs for tongue weight

That leaves me with a payload of 1780 pounds used with 220 lbs we could add if needed.

My above given weights are way on the high side and provided my exercise plan kicks in I can shave an additional 30 pounds or more off the above ;)

The only issue is wheel base length.

Most of our towing in on flat prairie 4 lane highway doing approximately 95kph.

I have the blue ox sway pro hitch which is amazing in wind along with the integrated trailer sway stuff in the truck which will likely never be needed.

Looking at overall weights I am well under any of the limits and for the 5% of my mileage I will be towing, this truck is very adequate.

Would a one ton dually with a massive diesel tow better yes, would my current F350 tow better yes (as far as wheel base goes but power to weight would be actually better with the 5.0 in the new F150), would the above trucks be better as a daily driver for 95% of the miles I would put on the vehicle, heck no...

The best financial decision would be to keep the F350 until it or me dies or we stop camping, then get a 5 year old prius...


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Shogun wrote:
32' 7000 lb trailer with a tongue weight around 1000 lbs.

KZ Spree 318 BHS to be specific.

We were able to put a similar truck on weigh scales and real world weight was 2000 lbs of payload.

So my calculations are:
- 230 lbs for me (including stuff I would bring in the truck)
- 150 lbs for my wife (including the stuff she would bring)
- 100 lbs for my daughter (as above)
- 200 lbs for tonneau cover and stuff in the box
- 100 lbs for the dog
- 1000 lbs for tongue weight

That leaves me with a payload of 1780 pounds used with 220 lbs we could add if needed.

My above given weights are way on the high side and provided my exercise plan kicks in I can shave an additional 30 pounds or more off the above ;)

The only issue is wheel base length.

Most of our towing in on flat prairie 4 lane highway doing approximately 95kph.

I have the blue ox sway pro hitch which is amazing in wind along with the integrated trailer sway stuff in the truck which will likely never be needed.

Looking at overall weights I am well under any of the limits and for the 5% of my mileage I will be towing, this truck is very adequate.

Would a one ton dually with a massive diesel tow better yes, would my current F350 tow better yes (as far as wheel base goes but power to weight would be actually better with the 5.0 in the new F150), would the above trucks be better as a daily driver for 95% of the miles I would put on the vehicle, heck no...

The best financial decision would be to keep the F350 until it or me dies or we stop camping, then get a 5 year old prius...


You've done your homework for sure! Looks like you're all set to go.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1809778_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:120418":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:120418","uid":120418,"login":"carringb","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2003-07-28T08:06:50.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:120418"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1809777":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1809777","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1809777":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:120418"},"id":"message:1809777","revisionNum":1,"uid":1809777,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1809672"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1809672"},"subject":"Re: Just got some bad news, could use some perspective.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1809777"},"body":"Glad you got one comping finally!

I agree, with the small proportion of towing you do, there's nothing wrong with running right up close to the ratings, and it'll be much nicer to drive the rest of the time :)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-07-21T14:05:43.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-07-21T14:05:43.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":557},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1809672/message:1809777","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"220","rawBody":"Glad you got one comping finally!

I agree, with the small proportion of towing you do, there's nothing wrong with running right up close to the ratings, and it'll be much nicer to drive the rest of the time :)","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1809777_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:378329":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:378329","uid":378329,"login":"Majja13","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-08-25T18:29:56.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:378329"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1809776":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1809776","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1809776":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:378329"},"id":"message:1809776","revisionNum":1,"uid":1809776,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1809672"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1809672"},"subject":"Re: Just got some bad news, could use some perspective.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1809776"},"body":"Congratz I can not wait to see the pics of the new truck","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"56","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-07-21T13:44:35.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-07-21T13:44:35.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":558},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1809672/message:1809776","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"56","rawBody":"Congratz I can not wait to see the pics of the new truck","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1809776_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1809775":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1809775","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1809775":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:158008"},"id":"message:1809775","revisionNum":1,"uid":1809775,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1809672"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1809672"},"subject":"Re: Just got some bad news, could use some perspective.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1809775"},"body":"32' 7000 lb trailer with a tongue weight around 1000 lbs.

KZ Spree 318 BHS to be specific.

We were able to put a similar truck on weigh scales and real world weight was 2000 lbs of payload.

So my calculations are:
- 230 lbs for me (including stuff I would bring in the truck)
- 150 lbs for my wife (including the stuff she would bring)
- 100 lbs for my daughter (as above)
- 200 lbs for tonneau cover and stuff in the box
- 100 lbs for the dog
- 1000 lbs for tongue weight

That leaves me with a payload of 1780 pounds used with 220 lbs we could add if needed.

My above given weights are way on the high side and provided my exercise plan kicks in I can shave an additional 30 pounds or more off the above ;)

The only issue is wheel base length.

Most of our towing in on flat prairie 4 lane highway doing approximately 95kph.

I have the blue ox sway pro hitch which is amazing in wind along with the integrated trailer sway stuff in the truck which will likely never be needed.

Looking at overall weights I am well under any of the limits and for the 5% of my mileage I will be towing, this truck is very adequate.

Would a one ton dually with a massive diesel tow better yes, would my current F350 tow better yes (as far as wheel base goes but power to weight would be actually better with the 5.0 in the new F150), would the above trucks be better as a daily driver for 95% of the miles I would put on the vehicle, heck no...

The best financial decision would be to keep the F350 until it or me dies or we stop camping, then get a 5 year old prius...","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-07-21T10:46:31.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-07-21T10:46:31.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":558},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1809672/message:1809775","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1703","rawBody":"32' 7000 lb trailer with a tongue weight around 1000 lbs.

KZ Spree 318 BHS to be specific.

We were able to put a similar truck on weigh scales and real world weight was 2000 lbs of payload.

So my calculations are:
- 230 lbs for me (including stuff I would bring in the truck)
- 150 lbs for my wife (including the stuff she would bring)
- 100 lbs for my daughter (as above)
- 200 lbs for tonneau cover and stuff in the box
- 100 lbs for the dog
- 1000 lbs for tongue weight

That leaves me with a payload of 1780 pounds used with 220 lbs we could add if needed.

My above given weights are way on the high side and provided my exercise plan kicks in I can shave an additional 30 pounds or more off the above ;)

The only issue is wheel base length.

Most of our towing in on flat prairie 4 lane highway doing approximately 95kph.

I have the blue ox sway pro hitch which is amazing in wind along with the integrated trailer sway stuff in the truck which will likely never be needed.

Looking at overall weights I am well under any of the limits and for the 5% of my mileage I will be towing, this truck is very adequate.

Would a one ton dually with a massive diesel tow better yes, would my current F350 tow better yes (as far as wheel base goes but power to weight would be actually better with the 5.0 in the new F150), would the above trucks be better as a daily driver for 95% of the miles I would put on the vehicle, heck no...

The best financial decision would be to keep the F350 until it or me dies or we stop camping, then get a 5 year old prius...","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1809775_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1809774":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1809774","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1809774":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:54572"},"id":"message:1809774","revisionNum":1,"uid":1809774,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1809672"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1809672"},"subject":"Re: Just got some bad news, could use some perspective.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1809774"},"body":"Sorry to ask, because it has probably been answered, but are you planning on towing your TT with the new truck? What's the payload in the new truck?

I'm asking because I have some similar weight concerns on my set-up.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-07-21T09:36:47.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-07-21T09:36:47.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":558},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1809672/message:1809774","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"229","rawBody":"Sorry to ask, because it has probably been answered, but are you planning on towing your TT with the new truck? What's the payload in the new truck?

I'm asking because I have some similar weight concerns on my set-up.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1809774_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1809773":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1809773","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1809773":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:158008"},"id":"message:1809773","revisionNum":1,"uid":1809773,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1809672"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1809672"},"subject":"Re: Just got some bad news, could use some perspective.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1809773"},"body":"Just signed a deal on a F150 order (let's hope second time's a charm).

The dealer in Carman just made me the best offer and has an affiliate dealership close to me so all should be good.

The Ford just felt right and should meet all my needs. Nothing wrong with the GM products I tested. They were very nice.

This was so close to call for me. The dealership I went with just gave me a very reasonable deal even after factoring in the Ford discounts and such.

I have one big trip left for this summer and will use the F350 for the last hurrah...","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-07-21T08:56:25.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-07-21T08:56:25.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":557},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1809672/message:1809773","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"592","rawBody":"Just signed a deal on a F150 order (let's hope second time's a charm).

The dealer in Carman just made me the best offer and has an affiliate dealership close to me so all should be good.

The Ford just felt right and should meet all my needs. Nothing wrong with the GM products I tested. They were very nice.

This was so close to call for me. The dealership I went with just gave me a very reasonable deal even after factoring in the Ford discounts and such.

I have one big trip left for this summer and will use the F350 for the last hurrah...","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1809773_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:200721":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:200721","uid":200721,"login":"Hunterred","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2015-07-12T07:58:16.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:200721"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1809772":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1809772","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1809772":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:200721"},"id":"message:1809772","revisionNum":1,"uid":1809772,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1809672"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1809672"},"subject":"Re: Just got some bad news, could use some perspective.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1809772"},"body":"I have a 2015 GMC with the 5.3, max tow package (7600 lb GVWR). On the scale I have 1780 lbs payload with me in it. I am not sure what guys think a truck should tie like but I can run 105 k/hr on flat and hills towing our trailer and its 9100 lbs loaded for the week at 1200 lbs hitch weight. Loaded with mama and the little one we have 450 lbs available payload. For the bit of driving with the trailer we do 3000 k a year, get the truck you like to drive everyday and make sure you'll have enough payload to be safe, load and go!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-07-21T05:30:13.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-07-21T05:30:13.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":557},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1809672/message:1809772","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"534","rawBody":"I have a 2015 GMC with the 5.3, max tow package (7600 lb GVWR). On the scale I have 1780 lbs payload with me in it. I am not sure what guys think a truck should tie like but I can run 105 k/hr on flat and hills towing our trailer and its 9100 lbs loaded for the week at 1200 lbs hitch weight. Loaded with mama and the little one we have 450 lbs available payload. For the bit of driving with the trailer we do 3000 k a year, get the truck you like to drive everyday and make sure you'll have enough payload to be safe, load and go!","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1809772_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:43718":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:43718","uid":43718,"login":"wtd","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2003-12-04T15:42:45.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:43718"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1809771":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1809771","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1809771":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:43718"},"id":"message:1809771","revisionNum":1,"uid":1809771,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1809672"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1809672"},"subject":"Re: Just got some bad news, could use some perspective.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1809771"},"body":"The Ford 5.0 is not without it's problems either. If you go to the Ford F150 forums as well as some of the Mustang forums, you will see quite a few posts about ticking engine issues with the 5.0 and in some cases, a new engine is needed.

I have a 2014 Mustang GT with the 5.0 and so far no engine noises. One thing I like about the 5.0 is it does not have AFM and it is quite powerful.

With that said, this is my first new Ford after owning many GM vehicles and I have to say, my experience with Ford's warranty service has not been very positive and is the reason that this may be my last Ford.

It sounds like the Ford F150 is your first choice and is what you should probably get. Good luck on your search.

Wayne","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-07-21T00:07:08.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-07-21T00:07:08.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":558},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1809672/message:1809771","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"761","rawBody":"The Ford 5.0 is not without it's problems either. If you go to the Ford F150 forums as well as some of the Mustang forums, you will see quite a few posts about ticking engine issues with the 5.0 and in some cases, a new engine is needed.

I have a 2014 Mustang GT with the 5.0 and so far no engine noises. One thing I like about the 5.0 is it does not have AFM and it is quite powerful.

With that said, this is my first new Ford after owning many GM vehicles and I have to say, my experience with Ford's warranty service has not been very positive and is the reason that this may be my last Ford.

It sounds like the Ford F150 is your first choice and is what you should probably get. Good luck on your search.

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