The frame is something I would look at VERY closely, especially around the spring hangers where they can develop fatigue cracks. They have the type of I-beam that is made from 3 pieces of 1/8\" sheet steel welded together and look like a regular rolled I-beam. These frames flex a lot more. Also look for spring hangers bent to one side. I would HIGHLY recommend that you have a certified frame & axle shop inspect the frame because there can be issues that you won't be able to find. Frame flex can also cause failure in welds in the aluminum framing of the superstructure.
If the spring bushings have never been replaced, I guarantee they will be completely worn out and may have damaged the leaf springs & shackles. Our bushings were totally shot in just the 2K mile trip from Indiana to the dealer.
On any older TT, water intrusion is a major concern unless it has been regularly inspected and caulked as needed. Even if you have some experience with RVs, I would also highly recommend hiring an reputable RV tech to do an inspection. There's just so many things that can be a problem and you may not find all the important ones. Spending $200-300 now could save you thousands of $$ later.","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2952195"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"myredracer"},"postTime":"2018-04-13T09:25:24.000-07:00","kudosSumWeight":0}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXwy","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":2952197,"body":"We bought a new 2008 K-Z Spree 240BH-LX and used it quite a bit for 6 yrs, only eventually selling it when our boys no longer were camping with us. That was back when K-Z was a family owned business and K-Z was generally regarded as a better than average trailer which came with a 2 yr warranty. Nonetheless ours suffered noticeable de-lamination in several locations on the curb side but with no indication of any kind that it was due to water leakage I assumed it was due to adhesive that had failed. Otherwise it was a great unit and in retrospect we probably should have kept it even though we no longer needed bunk beds.
myredracer wrote: KZ went through a lot of financial trouble in the last recession in the US (2007 and on?). They cut corners a lot to save money and stay afloat. I know someone with an '09 KZ TT who had plenty of issues.
2008 to ~ 2011, but no different than any other RV manufacturer. What was different is K-Z was one of those that survived when many didn't. I could also say I have a friend who owned a 2011 and had no issues at all with it. ;)
myredracer wrote: If the spring bushings have never been replaced, I guarantee they will be completely worn out and may have damaged the leaf springs & shackles.
Sure, but again no different than most other brands as most also use nylon bushings. Those on my own Spree were certainly shot after 5 yrs so I installed a Dexter wet bolt kit with metal bushings but that proved to be a waste as we sold the trailer not long after. :R This past winter I replaced the nylon bushings on our current Coachmen with Lippert Never Fail bushings which was a much less costly option. Never had any frame issues of any kind with ours. :)","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2952195"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"SoundGuy"},"postTime":"2018-04-13T09:37:56.000-07:00","kudosSumWeight":0}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXw0","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":2952199,"body":"I have a 2008 318BHS which has been a great trailer for the most part although now I have issues with a lot of delamination. I had a water leak in the roof a few years ago which was addressed and I re-caulked most of the roof but since then I've had additional delam in spots no where near where the original leak occurred. Other than that it's been a great trailer, 10 years old with 3 people and 2 dogs and I've never had any real issues with the rest of it. Looking for a new trailer and would consider another one if we found the layout we liked.","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2952195"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"Draggo"},"postTime":"2018-04-13T09:41:43.000-07:00","kudosSumWeight":0}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXw1","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":2952200,"body":"thanks for the tips, im an experienced do it youself type of guy, replaced rotted flooring in two trailers!! suspension and brake work doesn't scare me either but frame repair is out of the question unless the tt is basioally free he's asking 8k Canadian which is pretty cheap for around here with 4 new tyres, of course new tyres can hide all kinds of issues with 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myredracer wrote: KZ went through a lot of financial trouble in the last recession in the US (2007 and on?). They cut corners a lot to save money and stay afloat. I know someone with an '09 KZ TT who had plenty of issues.
2008 to ~ 2011, but no different than any other RV manufacturer. What was different is K-Z was one of those that survived when many didn't. I could also say I have a friend who owned a 2011 and had no issues at all with it. ;)
myredracer wrote: If the spring bushings have never been replaced, I guarantee they will be completely worn out and may have damaged the leaf springs & shackles.
Sure, but again no different than most other brands as most also use nylon bushings. Those on my own Spree were certainly shot after 5 yrs so I installed a Dexter wet bolt kit with metal bushings but that proved to be a waste as we sold the trailer not long after. :R This past winter I replaced the nylon bushings on our current Coachmen with Lippert Never Fail bushings which was a much less costly option. Never had any frame issues of any kind with ours. :)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-04-13T09:37:56.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-04-13T09:37:56.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":497},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2952195/message:2952198","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1190","rawBody":"
myredracer wrote: KZ went through a lot of financial trouble in the last recession in the US (2007 and on?). They cut corners a lot to save money and stay afloat. I know someone with an '09 KZ TT who had plenty of issues.
2008 to ~ 2011, but no different than any other RV manufacturer. What was different is K-Z was one of those that survived when many didn't. I could also say I have a friend who owned a 2011 and had no issues at all with it. ;)
myredracer wrote: If the spring bushings have never been replaced, I guarantee they will be completely worn out and may have damaged the leaf springs & shackles.
Sure, but again no different than most other brands as most also use nylon bushings. Those on my own Spree were certainly shot after 5 yrs so I installed a Dexter wet bolt kit with metal bushings but that proved to be a waste as we sold the trailer not long after. :R This past winter I replaced the nylon bushings on our current Coachmen with Lippert Never Fail bushings which was a much less costly option. Never had any frame issues of any kind with ours. :)","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2952198_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2952197":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2952197","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2952197":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:192433"},"id":"message:2952197","revisionNum":1,"uid":2952197,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2952195"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2952195"},"subject":"Re: KZ Spree, 2007 opinions?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2952197"},"body":"We bought a new 2008 K-Z Spree 240BH-LX and used it quite a bit for 6 yrs, only eventually selling it when our boys no longer were camping with us. That was back when K-Z was a family owned business and K-Z was generally regarded as a better than average trailer which came with a 2 yr warranty. Nonetheless ours suffered noticeable de-lamination in several locations on the curb side but with no indication of any kind that it was due to water leakage I assumed it was due to adhesive that had failed. Otherwise it was a great unit and in retrospect we probably should have kept it even though we no longer needed bunk beds.
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The frame is something I would look at VERY closely, especially around the spring hangers where they can develop fatigue cracks. They have the type of I-beam that is made from 3 pieces of 1/8\" sheet steel welded together and look like a regular rolled I-beam. These frames flex a lot more. Also look for spring hangers bent to one side. I would HIGHLY recommend that you have a certified frame & axle shop inspect the frame because there can be issues that you won't be able to find. Frame flex can also cause failure in welds in the aluminum framing of the superstructure.
If the spring bushings have never been replaced, I guarantee they will be completely worn out and may have damaged the leaf springs & shackles. Our bushings were totally shot in just the 2K mile trip from Indiana to the dealer.
On any older TT, water intrusion is a major concern unless it has been regularly inspected and caulked as needed. Even if you have some experience with RVs, I would also highly recommend hiring an reputable RV tech to do an inspection. There's just so many things that can be a problem and you may not find all the important ones. Spending $200-300 now could save you thousands of $$ later.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-04-13T09:25:24.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-04-13T09:25:24.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":497},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2952195/message:2952196","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1480","rawBody":"KZ went through a lot of financial trouble in the last recession in the US (2007 and on?). They cut corners a lot to save money and stay afloat. I know someone with an '09 KZ TT who had plenty of issues. An '07 might predate that tho.
The frame is something I would look at VERY closely, especially around the spring hangers where they can develop fatigue cracks. They have the type of I-beam that is made from 3 pieces of 1/8\" sheet steel welded together and look like a regular rolled I-beam. These frames flex a lot more. Also look for spring hangers bent to one side. I would HIGHLY recommend that you have a certified frame & axle shop inspect the frame because there can be issues that you won't be able to find. Frame flex can also cause failure in welds in the aluminum framing of the superstructure.
If the spring bushings have never been replaced, I guarantee they will be completely worn out and may have damaged the leaf springs & shackles. Our bushings were totally shot in just the 2K mile trip from Indiana to the dealer.
On any older TT, water intrusion is a major concern unless it has been regularly inspected and caulked as needed. Even if you have some experience with RVs, I would also highly recommend hiring an reputable RV tech to do an inspection. There's just so many things that can be a problem and you may not find all the important ones. Spending $200-300 now could save you thousands of $$ later.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2952196_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000","value":{"ariaLabelClosed":"Press the down arrow to open the menu"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000","value":{"solved":"Solved"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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