JIMNLIN wrote:What gives ? Well, if a person digs thru the FMCSA website, they state in there they are rebuilding their site and some links may not work. So that's apparently what gives.
The point is, the research has been done. Numerous times. I'm not going to go back in and do your homework for you.
We go over this again and again, and sadly, many new people here only get confused by what gets posted.
Yeah, FMCSA website continually up grades their website as the rules and regs are changed. I find its best for me to paste and copy to note pad and place it on my desktop for future reference. When that info is gone from their web page its gone.
I didn't read all you posted but it may have came from a RV.net member SeniorGNC who did this RESEARCH on ST vs LT testing differences per the FMVSS's.
Good read and may mean something to some folks who need some sort of research to show or tell them what works.
As a lay person I could care less about stats when choosing a tire for a trailer as they don't point toward what is reliable and what sure looked good in a advertisement.
ooooops looks like Huntingdog beat me to it
What gives ? Well, if a person digs thru the FMCSA website, they state in there they are rebuilding their site and some links may not work. So that's apparently what gives.
The point is, the research has been done. Numerous times. I'm not going to go back in and do your homework for you.
We go over this again and again, and sadly, many new people here only get confused by what gets posted.
Francesca Knowles wrote:Don't play dumb.gmw photos wrote:
I know I said I was done, but a certain line of thought keeps creeping back into this discussion by a certain poster which is misleading at least, and more likely downright incorrect. Sigh.
REFERENCES
The references for my evaluation may be found at the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) webpage:
ST tire standard may be found at FMCSA Part 571, subsection 109.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348008f295
LT tire standard may be found at http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkkey=090163348008f2a9
Part 571, subsection 139 references Part 571 subsection 119 which can be found at:
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348008f29d
Yes, I've seen that quoted before...and well you may sigh. Not a single one of the addresses provided goes to a page where the words quoted can be found. When copied/pasted, they all lead to this dead end. And simply searching "FMCSA Part 571, subsection 109" does the same thing.
What gives?
Francesca Knowles wrote:gmw photos wrote:
I know I said I was done, but a certain line of thought keeps creeping back into this discussion by a certain poster which is misleading at least, and more likely downright incorrect. Sigh.
REFERENCES
The references for my evaluation may be found at the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) webpage:
ST tire standard may be found at FMCSA Part 571, subsection 109.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348008f295
LT tire standard may be found at http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkkey=090163348008f2a9
Part 571, subsection 139 references Part 571 subsection 119 which can be found at:
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348008f29d
Yes, I've seen that quoted before...and well you may sigh. Not a single one of the addresses provided goes to a page where the words quoted can be found. When copied/pasted, they all lead to this dead end. And simply searching "FMCSA Part 571, subsection 109" does the same thing.
What gives?
gmw photos wrote:
I know I said I was done, but a certain line of thought keeps creeping back into this discussion by a certain poster which is misleading at least, and more likely downright incorrect. Sigh.
REFERENCES
The references for my evaluation may be found at the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) webpage:
ST tire standard may be found at FMCSA Part 571, subsection 109.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348008f295
LT tire standard may be found at http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkkey=090163348008f2a9
Part 571, subsection 139 references Part 571 subsection 119 which can be found at:
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348008f29d
gmw photos wrote:
I know I said I was done, but a certain line of thought keeps creeping back into this discussion by a certain poster which is misleading at least, and more likely downright incorrect. Sigh. This has all been hashed out before, but for some of you newbies here who would like a little light reading on what some of the differences might be in comparing the tests of LT vs ST, then consider the following thoughts from a previous thread.
I'll leave it to each individual of course to determine in their own mind whether this is all relevant to their trailer and their situation.
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SUMMARY OF FINDINGS & CONCLUSIONS
The testing requirements for both the ST and LT tires at the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) webpage.
The testing for each tire is comprised of (1) bead unseating resistance, (2) strength, (3) endurance, and (4) high speed performance.
The testing for (1) bead unseating resistance and (2) strength were identical for tires representative of moderate to heavy 5th wheels and thus no advantage is given to either tire type.
The testing for (3) endurance was found to be significantly different between the ST and LT tires.
Both the ST and LT are put through the same initial pressure, time and load profile. The total profile lasts 34 hours of continuous run time starting at 85% of rated load and ending at 100% of rated load. To further stress the tires, a load range E tire (nominal 80 psi rating) is tested at a reduced pressure of 60 psi to induce additional load on the tire during testing. (This is reasonable that testing should be conservative.)
But now the endurance testing diverges significantly.
The ST tire is tested at this pressure, time and load profile at 50 mph. After that, the ST test is over.
The LT tire is tested at this pressure, time and load profile at 75 mph. This is a 50% increase over the ST and will induce significant additional load and heating on the tire during testing. After that, the LT test is not complete. Next a “Low Inflation Pressure Performance” test is performed for the LT tire only. The tire pressure is decreased to 46 psi and the tire is immediately run for an additional 2 hours at 75 mph and 100% of rated load.
Thus, the LT tire endurance test is drastically more intense than the ST endurance test.
The testing for (4) high speed performance.
The difference in high speed performance testing between a ST and LT tire is significant. Both tires are tested through a 90 minute speed/time profile.
The ST tire is tested 88% of rated load while the LT tire is tested at 85% of rated load. Thus, the loading is 3% higher based on rated load and this slight advantage goes to the ST tire.
However, the LT tire is tested at significantly higher velocities when compared to a ST tire (99 vs. 85 mph maximum speed). This is a 16% advantage to the LT tire.
Thus, again the overall test for the LT is more rigorous than the ST test.
Conclusion:
It is reasonable to conclude that these test requirements force the tire manufacturer to construct an LT tire more substantially than an ST tire. This is also a reasonable explanation for the same size LT tire is rated at a slightly lower maximum load than a ST tire.
And now, for those of you who need to know all the details, read on!
REFERENCES
The references for my evaluation may be found at the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) webpage:
ST tire standard may be found at FMCSA Part 571, subsection 109.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348008f295
LT tire standard may be found at FMCSA Part 571, subsection 139.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkkey=090163348008f2a9
Part 571, subsection 139 references Part 571 subsection 119 which can be found at:
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348008f29d
