CapriRacer wrote:Francesca Knowles wrote:
I do still have an outstanding question that no one seems able/willing to answer, here quoting from yesterday.:Francesca Knowles wrote:
Under whatever standards of testing that you think LT's ARE subject to (thus making them for some so far superior to ST's), what's the speed limit standard they have to meet?
I think the answer to that question will come as a surprise to most. Provided of course that anyone bothers to actually look it up.
Looking forward to a sourced answer...
Francesca,
I think you got your answer - It's the speed rating of the particular tire in question.
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Oh, and for those comparing the tests: Be aware that the rated loads for ST tires is higher than for comparable LT tires - meaning while the tests themselves are more severe for LT tires, the actual loads make the test easier than it appears for LT tires.
CapriRacer wrote:Wait just a minute! What about the STs much vaunted weight capacity advantage?
Oh, and for those comparing the tests: Be aware that the rated loads for ST tires is higher than for comparable LT tires - meaning while the tests themselves are more severe for LT tires, the actual loads make the test easier than it appears for LT tires.
Francesca Knowles wrote:
I do still have an outstanding question that no one seems able/willing to answer, here quoting from yesterday.:Francesca Knowles wrote:
Under whatever standards of testing that you think LT's ARE subject to (thus making them for some so far superior to ST's), what's the speed limit standard they have to meet?
I think the answer to that question will come as a surprise to most. Provided of course that anyone bothers to actually look it up.
Looking forward to a sourced answer...
FastEagle wrote:gmw photos wrote:FastEagle wrote:
....snippage....
Just because the LT tire can be used on trailer axles does not make them trailer tires. It's not what they were designed to do.
FE
Well at least we can agree on something ! :B
A ST tire can only be used on a trailer. Because it's a ( special :E ) tire...which only can be used on trailers.
And I agree with your statement.... LT tire can be used on a trailer. It can also be used on a "light truck". I guess that makes it extra special ;)
That post was about tire testing and was addressed to that individual poster. You have changed the subject, probably just to inject sarcasm.
I can tell you a trailer manufacturer that says LT tires can be used on their trailers (Airstream). Can you name another that currently does that, excluding the G614 as it's designated by its manufacturer as a trailer tire?
FE
gmw photos wrote:FastEagle wrote:
....snippage....
Just because the LT tire can be used on trailer axles does not make them trailer tires. It's not what they were designed to do.
FE
Well at least we can agree on something ! :B
A ST tire can only be used on a trailer. Because it's a ( special :E ) tire...which only can be used on trailers.
And I agree with your statement.... LT tire can be used on a trailer. It can also be used on a "light truck". I guess that makes it extra special ;)
FastEagle wrote:
....snippage....
Just because the LT tire can be used on trailer axles does not make them trailer tires. It's not what they were designed to do.
FE
MrVan wrote:gmw photos wrote:
I know I said I was done, but a certain line of thought keeps creeping back into this discussion by a certain poster which is misleading at least, and more likely downright incorrect. Sigh. This has all been hashed out before, but for some of you newbies here who would like a little light reading on what some of the differences might be in comparing the tests of LT vs ST, then consider the following thoughts from a previous thread.
I'll leave it to each individual of course to determine in their own mind whether this is all relevant to their trailer and their situation.
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SUMMARY OF FINDINGS & CONCLUSIONS
The testing requirements for both the ST and LT tires at the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) webpage.
The testing for each tire is comprised of (1) bead unseating resistance, (2) strength, (3) endurance, and (4) high speed performance.
The testing for (1) bead unseating resistance and (2) strength were identical for tires representative of moderate to heavy 5th wheels and thus no advantage is given to either tire type.
The testing for (3) endurance was found to be significantly different between the ST and LT tires.
Both the ST and LT are put through the same initial pressure, time and load profile. The total profile lasts 34 hours of continuous run time starting at 85% of rated load and ending at 100% of rated load. To further stress the tires, a load range E tire (nominal 80 psi rating) is tested at a reduced pressure of 60 psi to induce additional load on the tire during testing. (This is reasonable that testing should be conservative.)
But now the endurance testing diverges significantly.
The ST tire is tested at this pressure, time and load profile at 50 mph. After that, the ST test is over.
The LT tire is tested at this pressure, time and load profile at 75 mph. This is a 50% increase over the ST and will induce significant additional load and heating on the tire during testing. After that, the LT test is not complete. Next a “Low Inflation Pressure Performance” test is performed for the LT tire only. The tire pressure is decreased to 46 psi and the tire is immediately run for an additional 2 hours at 75 mph and 100% of rated load.
Thus, the LT tire endurance test is drastically more intense than the ST endurance test.
The testing for (4) high speed performance.
The difference in high speed performance testing between a ST and LT tire is significant. Both tires are tested through a 90 minute speed/time profile.
The ST tire is tested 88% of rated load while the LT tire is tested at 85% of rated load. Thus, the loading is 3% higher based on rated load and this slight advantage goes to the ST tire.
However, the LT tire is tested at significantly higher velocities when compared to a ST tire (99 vs. 85 mph maximum speed). This is a 16% advantage to the LT tire.
Thus, again the overall test for the LT is more rigorous than the ST test.
Conclusion:
It is reasonable to conclude that these test requirements force the tire manufacturer to construct an LT tire more substantially than an ST tire. This is also a reasonable explanation for the same size LT tire is rated at a slightly lower maximum load than a ST tire.
And now, for those of you who need to know all the details, read on!
REFERENCES
The references for my evaluation may be found at the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) webpage:
ST tire standard may be found at FMCSA Part 571, subsection 109.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348008f295
LT tire standard may be found at FMCSA Part 571, subsection 139.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkkey=090163348008f2a9
Part 571, subsection 139 references Part 571 subsection 119 which can be found at:
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348008f29d
I would find the above to be much more helpful if some test results were published with them.
