Forum Discussion
- Hybridhunter, what is the average times it take you to accelerate to 60mph in normal driving? From my experience, most people don't accelerate quicker than 20 seconds and 12-15s is what many people call jackrabbit starts. 95% of drivers just don't drive 0-60 under 10s ever. Even the article mentions that WOT doesn't matter much:
MT wrote:
The combination of incredibly lethargic throttle response and fuel economy-biased transmission programming that strives to always be in sixth gear made the Silverado feel the slowest by a country mile. Sure, if you floor it, it books, but how often does the typical owner do that?
I have experienced exactly this behavior in mid sized cars. Trans programming that tries to keep the highest possible gear. Sure it's quick when the engine is over 4000rpm, but no one wants to wait 3 seconds for the trans to get the engine there. Oh, and I got the EPA city rating at 22mpg over 10k miles vs. 75% percentile of EPA highway compared to city for my diesel. But the gas car was quicker by car mag tests!To the point, any truck that takes 1/2 a mile a over half a minute to get to highway speed
You really do exaggerate and state options as if they were facts. This is why people keep calling you out. 81MPH trap speed in quarter mile according to the linked article. Hybridhunter wrote:
I'll say that the most gutless V6 half ton made(which is likely mine lol, excluding the ED), is acceptable at 8 seconds. Anything over 8 seconds generally requires a lot of throttle to keep up with traffic most places I drive.
I appreciate the very reasonable polite response.
In all truthfulness, I am not a diesel person at all. If I could buy a new pickup, it would be a Ram Hemi, and the second choice would be a 5.0 V8 F150. Regardless, I am just glad we have all of these great choices. And, for many people, I think the Ecodiesel is a great choice (not for me, but for many people).
On a different note, it seems that people on this forum tend to be more informed than the general public. I read part of an article testing the new Chevy Colorado vs. Tacoma and Frontier, and they quoted a recent survey where 35% of people towing a trailer with mid size trucks did not know how much weight they were pulling. Sure hope they have brakes on whatever they are pulling!!Fast Mopar wrote:
Speaking of making a religion out of it, since you have all the knowledge, please tell us what exact 0-60 acceleration time is acceptable. Maybe 6.5 seconds, 7.0 seconds, 7.5 seconds, 8.0 seconds, 8.5 seconds, 9.0 seconds? What is it?
I'll bite....
I'll say that the most gutless V6 half ton made(which is likely mine lol, excluding the ED), is acceptable at 8 seconds. Anything over 8 seconds generally requires a lot of throttle to keep up with traffic most places I drive. So as an arbitrary number. The difference is, that I generally can get away with not using much of the 300hp, but accelerating onto the highway, pulling up a mountain, and passing safely are the times that I need all 300hp.
To the point, any truck that takes 1/2 a mile a over half a minute to get to highway speed, and has nothing left over for payload, is not a winner regardless. The passing power while towing is so aweful, 2 lane passing really won't be an option. That should be fun.
I dislike the ED for the same reason I dislike any poor performing vehicle. It's an expensive, flawed engine. The pentastar is just better. Not Ram hating, ED hating.....boocoodinkydow wrote:
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And while I'll disagree that "anything is possible", the truck was obviously satisfactorily capable of this load. The only mod he had planned before the next trip seemed to be some air shocks, I think.
Funny, you hear a lot of that on the F150 forums. People obviously pulling way over their truck's payload, but saying the Ecoboost can do it without any problems whatsoever, except maybe air bags or an extra leaf spring or such. That fixes it. What a great engine. Lots of HP and low-end torque. What a great truck.
OK. It's a great engine. It's a great truck. They both are.
But I still think the manufacturer sets the GVWR, GAWRs and GCWR for a reason. And I do not understand why, if they're such fine trucks, why do people want to abuse them by running way over these recommended weights?brulaz wrote:
boocoodinkydow wrote:
ninerbikes, you'll surely get a torrent of naysayers from the sideline making well meaning recommendations based on speculations formulated from the posted limitations of the ed. personally, while i appreciate those opinions, i place a lot more credence in reports from "those that are doing". check this out:
http://www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/ram-1500-diesel-towing-hauling/2472-5th-wheel-towing-report-doubles.html
From that forum:I don't know what my king pin weight is, but after hitching up my trailer, I am going to take a stab and guess at 250 + lbs in the bed, and then 2 adults and 3 kids in the cab.
250# of pin weight for a 6200# fiver sounds a bit low to me.
But in general, if you're willing to ignore the manufacturer's weight ratings, just about anything is possible. Go for it.
The previous poster had asked about the bed weight. While the wording is admittedly obligatory, I wonder if he was confessing he didn't know the pin weight & was referencing the other items in the bed as weighing 250#.
"Right. 6200 lbs is just the camper. Also, I had the bed loaded up with firewood, generator, fire-pit cooking grills, and a inflatable boat."
And while I'll disagree that "anything is possible", the truck was obviously satisfactorily capable of this load. The only mod he had planned before the next trip seemed to be some air shocks, I think.brulaz wrote:
NinerBikes wrote:
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Does anyone know if they make 26 foot or 27 foot 5th wheels that are ultra lites that come in under 7000 pounds? In case I decide to trade up on the TT?
A fifth wheel for the RAM EcoD?
The "half-ton capable" fifth wheels I've seen still have ~15% loaded tongue weight. Add 200# for a 5er hitch, and the question of payload and rear GAWR appear again.
Think you would be better off with a bumper pull where 12% TW is more common, the hitches are lighter. And the WDH can throw some of that weight back to the trailer axles.
Certainly do in Australia, but the tiny payload would be against you for the Ram. Global 3 litre Diesels have 2300-3000lb payloadsboocoodinkydow wrote:
ninerbikes, you'll surely get a torrent of naysayers from the sideline making well meaning recommendations based on speculations formulated from the posted limitations of the ed. personally, while i appreciate those opinions, i place a lot more credence in reports from "those that are doing". check this out:
http://www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/ram-1500-diesel-towing-hauling/2472-5th-wheel-towing-report-doubles.html
From that forum:I don't know what my king pin weight is, but after hitching up my trailer, I am going to take a stab and guess at 250 + lbs in the bed, and then 2 adults and 3 kids in the cab.
250# of pin weight for a 6200# fiver sounds a bit low to me.
But in general, if you're willing to ignore the manufacturer's weight ratings, just about anything is possible. Go for it.- ninerbikes, you'll surely get a torrent of naysayers from the sideline making well meaning recommendations based on speculations formulated from the posted limitations of the ed. personally, while i appreciate those opinions, i place a lot more credence in reports from "those that are doing". check this out:
http://www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/ram-1500-diesel-towing-hauling/2472-5th-wheel-towing-report-doubles.html NinerBikes wrote:
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Does anyone know if they make 26 foot or 27 foot 5th wheels that are ultra lites that come in under 7000 pounds? In case I decide to trade up on the TT?
A fifth wheel for the RAM EcoD?
The "half-ton capable" fifth wheels I've seen still have ~15% loaded tongue weight. Add 200# for a 5er hitch, and the question of payload and rear GAWR appear again.
Think you would be better off with a bumper pull where 12% TW is more common, the hitches are lighter. And the WDH can throw some of that weight back to the trailer axles.- You know, the great thing about living in North American is that we live in democracies in both the USA and Canada. We can get pretty well anything we want. Even an old East German made, Trabant, if we wish, but who wants that.
We pays our money and we gets our choice. I think Charles Dickens sid that, but maybe not.
So we can get either a turbo gas , turbo diesel or gas V8 in a full sized, light pickup.
Great choice, reasonable competitive prices.
Pretty good eh.
