In no way was I trying to change the discussion and I enjoy a lively debate and was in way taking offense. I love to hear other peoples opinions as this is what makes life interesting. If we were all the same life would be pretty boring. My hope is that somewhere one person can realize that speeding, cell phone use, texting etc, is not as important as the task of dilligent driving and being fully aware of your surroundings. I have several good friends in law enforcement up here in the great white north, and as with all professions there are good and not so good. I really enjoy this forum and this discussion was a nice change from the drudgery of camper shopping.