Yes I did ...he is an excellent one to go to for help...but as I was traveling from place to place looking for help,exhausted and in pain, I posted in both forums at the same time not knowing who would be viewing first. Now, since this seems to have tickled your funny spot, I will read the poster on this forum who was polite enough to send me a video on how to do it and then say goodby...FYI- I am 73,handicapped,w DH w dementia..thought I was among friends here.However,I am so glad I have brought a smile to both of you..I will stick with my other forum and sure hope you are not a member there!