I just told them I wanted BF load range e. They *****ed a little warned me about the tank like ride, I like tanks. Then they tried to slip BF load range ds past me. In the end I got the BF load range E with the heavy duty brass stems installed. I also swapped out those sexy 20 inch pimpin rims for the stock 17s. I wanted more rubber. The swap more than paid for the upgrade in tires. I did all this working with trucks they had on the lot. They picked up both sets of tires at the wharehouse. The Ds went on a trade with a few hundred miles on them. It took about 10 trips to beat them down. If you are persistent you can get a solid deal and get what you want. I paid 23500 for my 08 drove it 50k sold it for 22k. I paid just under 30 for the 11 the stealer offered me 26 a month ago in trade. I never trade. I can get more on the market. I have a couple buyers linned up. When the new 15s come out Ill take the discount and a 14.