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I have pulled it with my 03, 2500 Ram, Smarty JR chipped for towing. I would like to stay with a srw truck. The new ram 3500 says it has an 11,800 lb gvwr with a 4000 lb payload. The rear GAWR is 7000lbs so says the dealer. I would like to think I will be all right with the quad cad, 4x4, short box with the fifth wheel prep. Anyone driving a similar 2013.
The new vehicles come with exhaust break, traction sway control and the like and I want to feel good about the purchase.
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The new vehicles come with exhaust break, traction sway control and the like and I want to feel good about the purchase.
Cummins12V98 wrote: 20 % is really a joke if you use your rig for any length of time. I am right around 25% with 4,500# pin weight.
You are on the edge with that combo. Bottom line is you will want a bigger better RV in just a few years and the truck will be ready to do the job with a dually.
Dually towing really is a pleasure!
This is what we chose to do. Fell into the 2500 trap and found out there was no payload left after the brochure pin weight. Traded a two year old 2500HD on a 3500 DRW. Now we will be able to get a shorter & heavier 5er when the kids no longer want to come with us. Don't have to worry about pin weight unless we go custom or very high end.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-11-10T09:59:06.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-11-10T09:59:06.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":174},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:901270/message:901298","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"736","rawBody":"
Cummins12V98 wrote: 20 % is really a joke if you use your rig for any length of time. I am right around 25% with 4,500# pin weight.
You are on the edge with that combo. Bottom line is you will want a bigger better RV in just a few years and the truck will be ready to do the job with a dually.
Dually towing really is a pleasure!
This is what we chose to do. Fell into the 2500 trap and found out there was no payload left after the brochure pin weight. Traded a two year old 2500HD on a 3500 DRW. Now we will be able to get a shorter & heavier 5er when the kids no longer want to come with us. Don't have to worry about pin weight unless we go custom or very high end.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:901298_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:321363":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:321363","uid":321363,"login":"Cummins12V98","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-06-03T15:01:10.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:321363"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:901297":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:901297","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:901297":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:321363"},"id":"message:901297","revisionNum":1,"uid":901297,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:901270"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:901270"},"subject":"Re: new 3500 srw tow vehicle?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:901297"},"body":"20 % is really a joke if you use your rig for any length of time. I am right around 25% with 4,500# pin weight.
You are on the edge with that combo. Bottom line is you will want a bigger better RV in just a few years and the truck will be ready to do the job with a dually.
Dually towing really is a pleasure!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-11-10T09:26:10.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-11-10T09:26:10.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":174},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:901270/message:901297","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"333","rawBody":"20 % is really a joke if you use your rig for any length of time. I am right around 25% with 4,500# pin weight.
You are on the edge with that combo. Bottom line is you will want a bigger better RV in just a few years and the truck will be ready to do the job with a dually.
Dually towing really is a pleasure!","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:901297_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:98069":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:98069","uid":98069,"login":"mdamerell","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-11-25T04:23:59.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:98069"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:901296":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:901296","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:901296":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:98069"},"id":"message:901296","revisionNum":1,"uid":901296,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:901270"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:901270"},"subject":"Re: new 3500 srw tow vehicle?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:901296"},"body":"A quick look at the Redwood site shows gross weights around 16,500# on average. A 20% pin weight is 3,300# and at 25% is 4,125#.
Personally, I would be looking at the dually.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"177","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-11-10T09:13:25.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-11-10T09:13:25.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":174},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:901270/message:901296","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"185","rawBody":"A quick look at the Redwood site shows gross weights around 16,500# on average. A 20% pin weight is 3,300# and at 25% is 4,125#.
Personally, I would be looking at the dually.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:901296_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:901295":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:901295","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:901295":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:195278"},"id":"message:901295","revisionNum":1,"uid":901295,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:901270"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:901270"},"subject":"Re: new 3500 srw tow vehicle?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:901295"},"body":"
4x4ord wrote:
bironacad wrote:
do you have the fifth wheel prep?
No. I have a B&W Turnoverball and use the Companion with my RV. I installed a Barkman electrical plug in the rear corner of the truck bed. Does B&W make an RV hitch for the factory Ford ball socket?
The tank is smaller on the short box what distance do you get between fills while towing.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"207","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-11-08T06:05:57.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-11-08T06:05:57.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":174},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:901270/message:901295","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"455","rawBody":"
4x4ord wrote:
bironacad wrote:
do you have the fifth wheel prep?
No. I have a B&W Turnoverball and use the Companion with my RV. I installed a Barkman electrical plug in the rear corner of the truck bed. Does B&W make an RV hitch for the factory Ford ball socket?
The tank is smaller on the short box what distance do you get between fills while towing.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:901295_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:134247":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:134247","uid":134247,"login":"4x4ord","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-12-23T14:28:46.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-3.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:134247"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:901294":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:901294","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:901294":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:134247"},"id":"message:901294","revisionNum":1,"uid":901294,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:901270"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:901270"},"subject":"Re: new 3500 srw tow vehicle?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:901294"},"body":"
bironacad wrote:
do you have the fifth wheel prep?
No. I have a B&W Turnoverball and use the Companion with my RV. I installed a Barkman electrical plug in the rear corner of the truck bed. Does B&W make an RV hitch for the factory Ford ball socket?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"207","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-11-08T06:01:56.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-11-08T06:01:56.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":174},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:901270/message:901294","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"310","rawBody":"
bironacad wrote:
do you have the fifth wheel prep?
No. I have a B&W Turnoverball and use the Companion with my RV. I installed a Barkman electrical plug in the rear corner of the truck bed. Does B&W make an RV hitch for the factory Ford ball socket?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:901294_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:901293":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:901293","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:901293":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:195278"},"id":"message:901293","revisionNum":1,"uid":901293,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:901270"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:901270"},"subject":"Re: new 3500 srw tow vehicle?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:901293"},"body":"
4x4ord wrote: I believe you are approaching the line where a DRW makes sense. At times I tow much heavier trailers with my SRW and recognize the fact that for those occasions a dually would have been better. For towing my 15000 lb rv and while running empty I much prefer the SRW.
do you have the fifth wheel prep?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-11-08T05:31:11.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-11-08T05:31:11.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":174},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:901270/message:901293","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"355","rawBody":"
4x4ord wrote: I believe you are approaching the line where a DRW makes sense. At times I tow much heavier trailers with my SRW and recognize the fact that for those occasions a dually would have been better. For towing my 15000 lb rv and while running empty I much prefer the SRW.
do you have the fifth wheel prep?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:901293_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:901292":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:901292","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:901292":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:134247"},"id":"message:901292","revisionNum":1,"uid":901292,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:901270"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:901270"},"subject":"Re: new 3500 srw tow vehicle?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:901292"},"body":"I believe you are approaching the line where a DRW makes sense. At times I tow much heavier trailers with my SRW and recognize the fact that for those occasions a dually would have been better. 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At times I tow much heavier trailers with my SRW and recognize the fact that for those occasions a dually would have been better. 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Michelle.S wrote: OK, it's time to look at Real World numbers. If that RL is like ours it arrived at the Dealers at 14000 Lbs without even a paper plate inside, no propane, empthy holding tanks and a set of D flashlight batteries (not really, but not much more). So unless you're towing an empty trailer those numbers are less than worthless. Gross is either 16K or 16.5K depending on tires and axles. So lets just go with the 16K, that will put your pin somewhere in the 3000 to 3500 Lb range, Because we have the on-board Genny and Combo Washer we're pushing 4K of pin. You've been living on the edge with a 2500 so if you go 3500 SRW you'll be a little farther back from the edge, but still too close for comfort. Go check the Redwood Forums, there are numerous members there who had 350/3500 SRW TVs they loved, but soon discovered they really needed the DRWs to handle the weight safely.
whsk wrote: x2 on the dually and quit worrying!-peace of mind is a good thing!-whsk
gvwr 16500 lbs (so what you have all the tanks full and a metal safe in the trailer full of gold to put you to that weight) maybe.
I here you when you speak of peace of mind;) The next part of that is travelling with a 21'(that is the measurement of my current ram) vehicle with wide hips. We are looking at going south parking the rig and using the truck as the daily ride for a couple of months while there. That is why the long look at srw.
brochure weight 12700 lbs actual scaled weight 13800 lbs that's with the propane;)
twenty percent gives: 2760 lbs (upper end of pin weight) Me mom and the two Jack Russels and the hitch 1000lbs
It is still under the 4,130 lbs payload rate for the truck outfitted as described. http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2013/docs/ram/rammlup3500.pdf
Engineers design a 30% min to failure over requirements
Anyway I am still not convinced either way.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-11-01T07:44:56.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-11-01T07:44:56.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":174},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:901270/message:901290","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"2024","rawBody":"
Michelle.S wrote: OK, it's time to look at Real World numbers. If that RL is like ours it arrived at the Dealers at 14000 Lbs without even a paper plate inside, no propane, empthy holding tanks and a set of D flashlight batteries (not really, but not much more). So unless you're towing an empty trailer those numbers are less than worthless. Gross is either 16K or 16.5K depending on tires and axles. So lets just go with the 16K, that will put your pin somewhere in the 3000 to 3500 Lb range, Because we have the on-board Genny and Combo Washer we're pushing 4K of pin. You've been living on the edge with a 2500 so if you go 3500 SRW you'll be a little farther back from the edge, but still too close for comfort. Go check the Redwood Forums, there are numerous members there who had 350/3500 SRW TVs they loved, but soon discovered they really needed the DRWs to handle the weight safely.
whsk wrote: x2 on the dually and quit worrying!-peace of mind is a good thing!-whsk
gvwr 16500 lbs (so what you have all the tanks full and a metal safe in the trailer full of gold to put you to that weight) maybe.
I here you when you speak of peace of mind;) The next part of that is travelling with a 21'(that is the measurement of my current ram) vehicle with wide hips. We are looking at going south parking the rig and using the truck as the daily ride for a couple of months while there. That is why the long look at srw.
brochure weight 12700 lbs actual scaled weight 13800 lbs that's with the propane;)
twenty percent gives: 2760 lbs (upper end of pin weight) Me mom and the two Jack Russels and the hitch 1000lbs
It is still under the 4,130 lbs payload rate for the truck outfitted as described. http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2013/docs/ram/rammlup3500.pdf
Engineers design a 30% min to failure over requirements
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