I think what you're reading in these replies is that there are a lot of good no-slide campers available new & used. If you go used, inspect for water damage carefully. But one's person's perfect floorplan doesn't work for somebody else. For instance, I thought I had found the perfect camper when I found the Wolf Creek 840 until my wife informed me that the single round kitchen sink bowl wasn't working for her. We looked at a used S&S that seemed well built and had some interesting designs that I've never seen before. To this day we ask ourselves, why don't other companies do this?