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agesilaus wrote:
noteven wrote:
Welcome aboard our flight to Denver today.
Accounting has determined Aeroshell Turbine 560 oil is marketing hype and flim flam so today we are operating our Rolls Royce engines on Walmart 10w30...
Is that supposed to be funny?
More meant to be silly. But there is a line to "saving money" on fluids and lubricants.
In the early days of DEF the bill in our shop for correcting and fixing HD trucks coming in with out of spec DEF in the system ranged from $3000 to $6000 depending on what had contaminated the SCR system.
When a vehicle arrived with codes and a complaint the first step was to draw a sample of the DEF on board and test it in the presence of the customer or their rep.
Non warranty "Operator errors" consisted of adding distilled water to the DEF tank, adding tap water to the DEF tank, adding human urine to the DEF tank, adding what should have been proper spec DEF from an unsealed "cheaper" bulk source, using stolen "DEF", adding home brew DEF - these sorts of things.
It didn't take long for word to get around on the bush telegraph contaminating DEF as a cost saving measure was not good economics. The absolute hardest working Paccar trucks with either Cummins or Paccar power (like 140,000lbs GCWR) would use DEF at around 1.5% of the rate of fuel burn (1.5 gallons per 100 gallons fuel) so the "savings" of all the DEF schemes didn't amount to much vs repair orders. In simplistic terms DEF consumption is a function of NOx emissions which is a function of high exhaust temps which is a function of engine load/fuel rate.
Anyhoo it didn't take long for people to figure out to buy DEF from reputable sources.LIKE2BUILD wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Here's a video on this new DEF. Fast forward to 8:44 for some better details on the product. They cleared up a couple of questions and that this product will not reduce existing build up and the shelf life is the same as the current Blue DEF.
Link
Thanks for the link. The project leader called it an 'additive package'. I have a hard time believing that since the SDS for this product has NO difference from the old product. Again, this is NOT POSSIBLE because any chemical in the mixture it must be shown on the SDS. They only claim 33% Urea and 67% water on the SDS which means there is nothing else.
KJ
Items that are trade secretes can be withheldFishOnOne wrote:
Here's a video on this new DEF. Fast forward to 8:44 for some better details on the product. They cleared up a couple of questions and that this product will not reduce existing build up and the shelf life is the same as the current Blue DEF.
Link
Thanks for the link. The project leader called it an 'additive package'. I have a hard time believing that since the SDS for this product has NO difference from the old product. Again, this is NOT POSSIBLE because any chemical in the mixture it must be shown on the SDS. They only claim 33% Urea and 67% water on the SDS which means there is nothing else.
KJagesilaus wrote:
noteven wrote:
Welcome aboard our flight to Denver today.
Accounting has determined Aeroshell Turbine 560 oil is marketing hype and flim flam so today we are operating our Rolls Royce engines on Walmart 10w30...
Is that supposed to be funny?
I thought it was :) I prefer Mobil 254 turbine oil.noteven wrote:
Welcome aboard our flight to Denver today.
Accounting has determined Aeroshell Turbine 560 oil is marketing hype and flim flam so today we are operating our Rolls Royce engines on Walmart 10w30...
Is that supposed to be funny?- Welcome aboard our flight to Denver today.
Accounting has determined Aeroshell Turbine 560 oil is marketing hype and flim flam so today we are operating our Rolls Royce engines on Walmart 10w30... - Same same, it is DEF. $20.00 for the same thing at sam's club for $11.00
BB_TX wrote:
agesilaus wrote:
No more DEF than I use in a year's time the small amount of money for the new and improved "Platinum" DEF is nothing and I will begin using it until proven otherwise.
I'd say you have that backwards, I'll begin using when they prove that it works not the other way around.............
Nope, I have it forward. I would rather use it and later find there is no benefit than to not use it and find the continued deposits required costly repairs to the emissions system.
To each his own.
Since all def made to meet the specified std has exactly the same omposition, dictated very specifically, it's not clear how this new DEF can be any different than any other that meets the spec. The mfg needs to get it certified to meet the ISO std. in order to license it as meeting the stds.
Now how the DEF injection works, that's another issue with each mfg having the system for injection.agesilaus wrote:
No more DEF than I use in a year's time the small amount of money for the new and improved "Platinum" DEF is nothing and I will begin using it until proven otherwise.
I'd say you have that backwards, I'll begin using when they prove that it works not the other way around.............
Nope, I have it forward. I would rather use it and later find there is no benefit than to not use it and find the continued deposits required costly repairs to the emissions system.
To each his own.
