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pjay9
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Jul 04, 2014

Planning rebuild

It has been suggested that if I am going to go to the extent of what needs to be done regarding the nose rot and slide side repair plus the wings both sides on the 1161, the whole camper should have the skin removed and all bad spots repaired. That then begs these questions:

Is there a wrap such as tyvek that sould be done before the new skin is installed?

Should the camper be sheathed with thin plywood for additional strength? Or is there a better material? Will that help to maintain camper integrity (keep it from racking)? I don't see this material adding more than a half inch to over all width..is there a futuristic material out there to do this job? Would a thin gague sheet aluminum be a good sheath?

What places should have better reinforcement or attachment points..i.e. Jacks, back bumper, pull out stairs, Lance front shocks.

I have been looking at the slide fixes on here. I feel that if the tie downs had not been there the slide would have survived but where else could they have gone? Just make that whole sill stout!

I am really looking for meaningful comments with suggestions and ideas, and even things that I have not thought about. YES I have been reading and pinting out the Univ rebuild posts...loads of great info...which can always be improved on each time it is done.

Hope all are having a great 4TH...as many of you know I am a Captain for tours and charters on yachts and passenger vessels, I don't have to work this 4TH hooray! :>)

Looking forward to a good discussion and provoking ideas. Warm regards and thx to all who respond. Capt. PJ

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  • I'd like to share what I know about Filon.

    It is made up of very thin sheets of Luan wood (like that used for the very light weight closet doors in some houses)

    Saying that the Luon is 3/16" thick is being generous.

    Some of the sheets were 20' x 8' or 10'

    There is a"flash coat" of fiberglas resin on one side... now Filon.

    This leaves a very thin wood surface facing the wood frame on the inside of the the camper.... it made it easy to glue the Filon to the frame.

    In a perfect world this works great.

    Of course...we don't live in a perfect world... humidity and water leaks are absorbed into the luon... allowing it to swell and seperate at the glue joints.

    Where does the humidity come from?

    Breathing, cooking, burning propane in the stove, showers, and natures humidity.

    And of course water leaks from joints that need recaulked... fresh water or waste water leaks are more obvious. And owner caused damage.

    Over time the filon wood backing shreads... leaving a very thin flash coat of fibreglas resin that is no long totally glued to the frame.

    Add in road vibrations, pot holes, hurricane force winds when we have a combined forward speed and head winds of 76 mph or more.

    When we had aluminum skins we had screws holdin the skin on... putting a screw in the Filon would hasten the failure of the Filon.

    It appears to me that any 10 yeaar old camper with a filon skin is at risk of failing. I'm sure that was part of the rational to go to a metal frame and Adzel skin.

    No one wants to hear this... it affects the resale value of the camper and long range durability.

    I have observed this first hand on many campers.

    I have had many people contact me over the years about purchasing TC's, particularly the Lance 1161/1191 series

    I have always tried to get them to avoid the models before 2005


    This will never affect my 1161's resale... we will eventually give it away... we never sell cars and trucks... we give them away.

    I contacted Lance Customer Service Center in Feruary of this year to inqire about having our 2003 Lance 1161 reskined...

    ... we mutually agreed that it would cost $15,000... and they (Lance) couldn't do it with Adzel

    It is not our faliure... it's the Filon and time.

    Sorry to admit this in the open forum..

    .... but it bothers me to see Capt PJ (pjay) get blamed for something out of his control... he has taken very good care of his camper. Janet and I have roamed the mountains with him and his wife... I have pictures of me on the roof of his 1161... washing and inspecting it. It was in good shape.

    chet
  • Yes... I think Adzel is used on things like ambalances too...
  • Check out Azdel if you have not already done so. Lightweight composite. Lance started using this product several years ago. Not supposed to be able to absorb water, swell, or rot.

    Azdel

    50% lighter than wood

    Offers 3x the insulation value of wood

    Odorless, Formaldehyde free

    Sound and energy absorbing

    Impact and puncture resistant to help prevent damage

    Impervious to water: Unlike wood it will not rot, mold, or delaminate sidewalls causing costly damage