Practical Caravan (British Mag) 2013 Tow Car Awards

RimCountry wrote:
The Skoda Octavia is the winner, a Czech car not available in the USA. Guess we'll just have to settle for using the Beemer. ;)

Back in the 50's my dad had a skoda and it was built like a tank. The metal must have been a quarter of an inch thick. It was built by Skoda Tank works. He could never get parts for it so he got rid of it...

Mike Up wrote:
After looking at many, I don't like that most don't have a full size dinette, separate sofa and most importantly, a BATHROOM. I really don't like how expensive they are. They price many people into tents or Pop Ups. I do like that they're very luxury though, but the lack of functionality makes them something I wouldn't bother with. I would rather have a pop up with more beds, sitting areas, and a bathroom.

They do have Bathrooms and a separate Sofa.




Dinettes tend to be this size.

European trailers are designed to be low profile, very light through expensive materials, and very narrow, even if they do have midsize lengths. They look luxury but usually don't have a combination of 1 RV queen bed, full size dinette, a RV sofa, and a full bathroom, or additional bunks for families. Speed limits are also lower allowing cars to pull more stable with those lower speeds. They are also balanced for light tongue weights which isn't always best for the floorplan. Their couplers usually have built in friction pads that aid in sway control due to their lighter tongue weights. Their lower speed limits also aid in sway control.

After looking at many, I don't like that most don't have a full size dinette, separate sofa and most importantly, a BATHROOM. I really don't like how expensive they are. They price many people into tents or Pop Ups. I do like that they're very luxury though, but the lack of functionality makes them something I wouldn't bother with. I would rather have a pop up with more beds, sitting areas, and a bathroom.

qtla9111 wrote:

Francesca Knowles wrote:
Such a different world! Not just the tugs, either. Trailer design is so different over there.

Yep, how long will it take for us to get the idea? Maybe we'll wait for the Japanese and Chinese manufacturers and then the competition will begin and we too can have something modern and technologically advanced.

Funny, they call Europe the "Old World", maybe it's backwards.

IMO, "Old World" = experienced and therefore more advanced.

Caddywhompus wrote:

Francesca Knowles wrote:
Did I hear right- did that fellow say that they were testing all the cars towing loads that were 85% of total tug weight? That's pretty impressive...

Such a different world! Not just the tugs, either. Trailer design is so different over there.

A few years back, the Subaru Forester was "Towcar of the year". You know, the car you said was completely incapable of towing because the OEM hitch sucks.

:h

No- I'm the one that contradicted you when you posted that simply putting a "heavier" aftermarket hitch on a Forester (or any other vehicle) will increase its towing capacity.

I'm also the one that contradicted you when YOU maintained that the factory hitch on the Forester "sucks", as you so elegantly put it. Subaru's OEM hitch is in every way superior to aftermarket product, as I illustrated with pictures in t'other thread.

If you'd care to review that discussion and refresh your memory, here's the link

Francesca Knowles wrote:
Did I hear right- did that fellow say that they were testing all the cars towing loads that were 85% of total tug weight? That's pretty impressive...

Such a different world! Not just the tugs, either. Trailer design is so different over there.

A few years back, the Subaru Forester was "Towcar of the year". You know, the car you said was completely incapable of towing because the OEM hitch sucks.

Pop up Tom wrote:
I checked into the weights of those caravans tested, and they are very light. Similar to fiberglass egg campers and Airstreams. (Also very expensive by our standards.) The weights are in the same range as our typical pop-up. I was impressed by how well those cars handled the emergency lane-change tests. I bet a lower center of gravity for a family sedan vs. a pickup truck has a lot to do with it. They also loaded the campers at floor level, not in upper cabinets, which should also mimic the handling of a pop-up.

It makes it much easier to get a suitable tow vehicle as so much choice is available. The interiors are vastly better than a Egg Camper or IMHO an Airstream. As well you get a light Caravan that can be 25ft long and can be very strong

I checked into the weights of those caravans tested, and they are very light. Similar to fiberglass egg campers and Airstreams. (Also very expensive by our standards.) The weights are in the same range as our typical pop-up. I was impressed by how well those cars handled the emergency lane-change tests. I bet a lower center of gravity for a family sedan vs. a pickup truck has a lot to do with it. They also loaded the campers at floor level, not in upper cabinets, which should also mimic the handling of a pop-up.

Road Ruler wrote:
Nice rig Ryan. Thnxs for posting. It is amazing they can do it with the low tech connection systems. At least here in Canada the use of WDH's are such an upgrade.

Somewhat big debate about the use of WDH's here.
WDH Debate amongst Caravanners

Road Ruler wrote:

Francesca Knowles wrote:
Did I hear right- did that fellow say that they were testing all the cars towing loads that were 85% of total tug weight? That's pretty impressive...

Such a different world!

FK, I'm surprised you haven't heard of cars towing trailers before.:)

In Europe, Australia, Canada, cars have been towing trailers since the inception of trailering. After viewing the video listed above you can see why. They perform so well.

:h

I use a "car" to tow my trailer. A '97 Kia Sportage, maximum TC is about 63% of tug curb weight. Before that I had a '65 Ford Falcon, and before THAT, a Plymouth Duster- forget what year that one was. Newer than the Falcon, as I recall.

My post was just marveling at the 85% of curb weight trailers being used for the road tests above. Really impressive.

I'm pret-ty, pretty sure my Kia couldn't do that unless on flat ground with a stiff tailwind, not to mention some cheater springs in the back!;)