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- CKNSLS,
"Well there's the $200 oil changes for one thing....."???
Put your reefer down and give me a clue!
WHO pays $200 for an oil change??? Must really be SUMFU! 10 qts 15W40 Dino diesel oil including a new oil filter, greasing, coolant topoff, differential and transfer check and topoff, tranny fluid check and topoff, tire pressure check and fill, windshield washer fill, etc? Never have we even paid close to $80 and with coupons or specials it may be under $50. Our vehicles, both gas and diesel are always done at 10+% remaining according to the DIC or according to the owner's manual schedule. Usually, it's 7,000 to 8,000 miles between changes. ~40,000 between fuel filter changes and that's a $39.95 charge as we just had the 04.5 D/A done in May 2013. Same place has been doing all our oil changes for over 30 years now and we have all the receipts and know what the cost is. Our gas engines are done at 4500 to 5000 miles.
Sure, you can save a few bucks by doing it yourself but we're not interested in the least! Sam's Club here (we have 4 Sam's Clubs within 27 miles) has one gallon Mobil 15W40 diesel oil for $12.97 ea and Meijer's has it for $12.99 ea. 10 qts is $32.43 and the oil filter is between $6 and $10. So, it a max of $42.43 plus 6% sales tax or $2.55. Total of $44.98 every 7,000 to 8,000 miles or approx $.006/mile. 6/10 of a penny per mile cost or about the same as our gas engines. Fuel filter cost for the Duramax is approx 1/10 of one penny per mile.
Where is all that extra costs since you don't even own a diesel? itguy08 wrote:
Does not compute...
Seems to be around $100 or so at the dealer for the Diesels and every 10k:
Cummins Oil Change Cost
Powerstroke Oil Change Cost
Duramax Oil Change Cost
If you're doing it yourself you're looking at about 8-14 quarts of oil + expensive filter.
I pay $39 for my Ecoboost oil change and tire rotation at the dealer, every 7.5k. New ones are 10k too. I believe GM and Chrysler spec 7.5-10k for their gassers too.
It may have been cheaper when Diesels could go 7.5-10k and gassers got 3k but those days are over.
:h
Here are "my" stats and figures.
93 6.5 diesel takes 8 qts.
06 Duramax takes 10 qts.
I pay $3 bucks a qt for my Rotella. ( I could get it cheaper)
I pay $30 for oil for my Dmax and $24 for my 6.5.
I pay 5 or 6 bucks for my "expensive filter." (It's the same filter as a SBC.)
So $30 bucks total for my 6.5 and $36 bucks total for my Duramax.
My Duramax puter goes off like clockwork at 10K. I "choose" to change my 6.5 at 7,500 miles.
Just because someone wants to pay big bucks and get ripped off at a dealer for an oil change does not make it the norm.
We had a poster on here that claimed $200.00 oil changes. When someone called him out he aaaaaaaaaaaaa could not back up his claim.- Does not compute...
Seems to be around $100 or so at the dealer for the Diesels and every 10k:
Cummins Oil Change Cost
Powerstroke Oil Change Cost
Duramax Oil Change Cost
If you're doing it yourself you're looking at about 8-14 quarts of oil + expensive filter.
I pay $39 for my Ecoboost oil change and tire rotation at the dealer, every 7.5k. New ones are 10k too. I believe GM and Chrysler spec 7.5-10k for their gassers too.
It may have been cheaper when Diesels could go 7.5-10k and gassers got 3k but those days are over. Diesel trucks are so much cheaper in total ownership/operating costs and that is why they buy diesels!
X2. My diesel trucks were cheaper to own over my gas trucks that I have owned.travelnutz wrote:
CKNSLS,
wrote:
"Even people that own diesels admit to higher maintenance costs...."
Are you smok'in some very potent weed?
Having own more than 2 of both diesel and gas engined pickup trucks for personal use and even more trucks for my decades long owned engineering business use, the diesel trucks were no higher in maintenance costs, period. The last 4 of the pickups driven for personal use were accrued a total of more than 600,000 miles and I can assure you that the maintenance costs was no higher on the diesel trucks than it was on the gas trucks and we have the records to prove it. The diesel trucks when sold went for a lot more $$$ than the gas trucks so the initial diesel engine premimum simply was returned when sold and there's more! The diesel trucks also averaged nearly 1-1/2 times the MPG's of the gas trucks and had ZERO engine repairs while we owned them.
Do you really think businesses are so stupid to buy diesel engined trucks so they can spend more to operate them over gas engined trucks???
Hardly!!!
Diesel trucks are so much cheaper in total ownership/operating costs and that is why they buy diesels!
Well there's the $200 oil changes for one thing..... :)
Maybe in a commercial aspect..but not for a consumer
http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewdepaula/2012/08/27/clean-diesel-cars-and-trucks-that-will-save-you-money/
Interesting article-
http://www.trucktrend.com/features/tech/163_0210_diesel_vs_gas/viewall.html- CKNSLS,
wrote:
"Even people that own diesels admit to higher maintenance costs...."
Are you smok'in some very potent weed?
Having own more than 2 of both diesel and gas engined pickup trucks for personal use and even more trucks for my decades long owned engineering business use, the diesel trucks were no higher in maintenance costs, period. The last 4 of the pickups driven for personal use were accrued a total of more than 600,000 miles and I can assure you that the maintenance costs was no higher on the diesel trucks than it was on the gas trucks and we have the records to prove it. The diesel trucks when sold went for a lot more $$$ than the gas trucks so the initial diesel engine premimum simply was returned when sold and there's more! The diesel trucks also averaged nearly 1-1/2 times the MPG's of the gas trucks and had ZERO engine repairs while we owned them.
Do you really think businesses are so stupid to buy diesel engined trucks so they can spend more to operate them over gas engined trucks???
Hardly!!!
Diesel trucks are so much cheaper in total ownership/operating costs and that is why they buy diesels! Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Mike Up wrote:
Taco wrote:
I am excited about this truck because it will finally prove to the diesel heads on this site that horsepower matters more than torque and show them that a 3.0 turbo diesel will get flat out smoked up a hill with a trailer when compared to a 3.5 turbo gasser.
I don't see a whole lot of purpose to it, but I guess time will tell if it sells.
That wouldn't be a fair comparison since the Ecoboost also has 420 lbs of torque with a whopping 365 horsepower.
A good comparison would be the older 2009/2010 Ford F150 with the 5.4L (310 hp/365 #'s torque) and 6 speed trans and the previous gen Chevy 5.3L (315 hp/335 #s torque) with it's newer 6 speed transmission. The 3.0L diesel may take them both off the line but will fall far behind once the other trucks' horsepower overtakes the low horsepower of the 3.0L.
Here inlies the problem.
The new oil burner is in the same class as the Ecoboost. It will go head to head with it with the same customer base that will pick. Sale for sale. 2014 against 2014.
It will be real ugly for the oil burner when PUT's does a tow off test between the Ecoboost and the oil burner.
Will the public care if the oil burner takes a long time to get to the top of a hill when compared to the Ecoboost? I say yes they will. They missed the window.
For most of the public, it's all about power now days. :S
I'd bet the mpgs makes all the differnce! I really would prefer it to be the fastest to the top of the hill but getting there a bit slower with way better gas mileage let's me go a lot further in the long run.Mike Up wrote:
Taco wrote:
I am excited about this truck because it will finally prove to the diesel heads on this site that horsepower matters more than torque and show them that a 3.0 turbo diesel will get flat out smoked up a hill with a trailer when compared to a 3.5 turbo gasser.
I don't see a whole lot of purpose to it, but I guess time will tell if it sells.
That wouldn't be a fair comparison since the Ecoboost also has 420 lbs of torque with a whopping 365 horsepower.
A good comparison would be the older 2009/2010 Ford F150 with the 5.4L (310 hp/365 #'s torque) and 6 speed trans and the previous gen Chevy 5.3L (315 hp/335 #s torque) with it's newer 6 speed transmission. The 3.0L diesel may take them both off the line but will fall far behind once the other trucks' horsepower overtakes the low horsepower of the 3.0L.
Here inlies the problem.
The new oil burner is in the same class as the Ecoboost. It will go head to head with it with the same customer base that will pick. Sale for sale. 2014 against 2014.
It will be real ugly for the oil burner when PUT's does a tow off test between the Ecoboost and the oil burner.
Will the public care if the oil burner takes a long time to get to the top of a hill when compared to the Ecoboost? I say yes they will. They missed the window.
For most of the public, it's all about power now days. :STaco wrote:
I am excited about this truck because it will finally prove to the diesel heads on this site that horsepower matters more than torque and show them that a 3.0 turbo diesel will get flat out smoked up a hill with a trailer when compared to a 3.5 turbo gasser.
I don't see a whole lot of purpose to it, but I guess time will tell if it sells.
The torque at the rear wheels is what's going to pull it up the hill. The higher hp will allow the truck to multiply the torque. If the ECO Boost's hp makes it pull so well, hook it to 30,000 pounds beside a HD Ram Cummins with the same hp and see how well it fairs up the hills for a hundred thousand miles.Taco wrote:
I am excited about this truck because it will finally prove to the diesel heads on this site that horsepower matters more than torque and show them that a 3.0 turbo diesel will get flat out smoked up a hill with a trailer when compared to a 3.5 turbo gasser.
I don't see a whole lot of purpose to it, but I guess time will tell if it sells.
That wouldn't be a fair comparison since the Ecoboost also has 420 lbs of torque with a whopping 365 horsepower.
A good comparison would be the older 2009/2010 Ford F150 with the 5.4L (310 hp/365 #'s torque) and 6 speed trans and the previous gen Chevy 5.3L (315 hp/335 #s torque) with it's newer 6 speed transmission. The 3.0L diesel may take them both off the line but will fall far behind once the other trucks' horsepower overtakes the low horsepower of the 3.0L.
