Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Max towing number released

My 2011 F150 took 6qts and a $4 MC filter
My 2013 F350 takes 13qts and a $14 MC filter
both olm's go to 7500k miles

No matter how you slice it an oil change cost more on the diesel. Just because it holds more oil, it is simple math. Why are people even arguing about this? Is it a badge of honor to have a cheap oil change nowadays?

CKNSLS wrote:

gmcsmoke wrote:

ib516 wrote:
Where does this "higher maintenence costs" BS you keep spouting come from? Facts please.

Well there's the $200 oil changes for one thing..... :w

Even people that own diesels admit to higher maintenance costs....

Depends on the diesel. Mine is not.

itguy08 wrote:
Does not compute...

Seems to be around $100 or so at the dealer for the Diesels and every 10k:

Cummins Oil Change Cost
Powerstroke Oil Change Cost
Duramax Oil Change Cost

If you're doing it yourself you're looking at about 8-14 quarts of oil + expensive filter.

I pay $39 for my Ecoboost oil change and tire rotation at the dealer, every 7.5k. New ones are 10k too. I believe GM and Chrysler spec 7.5-10k for their gassers too.

It may have been cheaper when Diesels could go 7.5-10k and gassers got 3k but those days are over.

Does not compute is exactly right.

I have never paid $100 for an oil change on my 1 ton diesel. In fact, I recently bought a grouping of 5 oil changes (includes filter), tire rotations, general checks from a dealer and it cost $250. So $50 per oil/filter change. I get about 7k - 7.5k miles between. Seems very reasonable to me.

RobertRyan wrote:

Strangely Ford NA has never offered the Ecoboost as an option on the Global Ranger that has the 3.2 Litre diesel. I guess the supposed fuel economy and pulling power do not exist.

Or it could be that in places outside of North America Diesel is considerably cheaper than gasoline. And that's why in Europe and other places they drive lots of Diesels - it's cheaper. Here in the USA Diesel used to be cheaper too but now it's around the price of premium or higher.

Or it could also be that there is no excess capacity. Between the F150 (they say something like 50% are Ecoboosts), Taurus, MKS, and Flex with the EB 3.5, the Cleveland engine plant is running at capacity.

It will be interesting to see the first report of this vs the Ecoboost.

gmcsmoke wrote:

ok I'll play this game. Let's compare a GM 3.6L DI gas vs a diesel.

diesel:

10qt rotella 2.5 gal $29.94
oil filter 6.46
fuel filter get changed once evey 2 year or by % $30
DEF costs $0.00322/mile

gas:

5.3qt synthetic $54
oil filter $6.46

$68.60 vs $60.46

so where's the huge difference again?

So why play with the numbers - regular oil (Rotella is not synthetic) for the Diesel and synthetic for the gas? But then again that wouldn't fit the agenda. Oh, and by the way, Rotella is $44.99 for 2.5 gallons at Advance.

itguy08 wrote:

ib516 wrote:
Where does this "higher maintenence costs" BS you keep spouting come from? Facts please.

The more frequent and expensive fuel filter changes, the more expensive diesel oil changes, DEF, larger cooling systems. Now those are costs for the 3/4 and 1 tons but I'd imagine this engine will have similar requirements.

ok I'll play this game. Let's compare a GM 3.6L DI gas vs a diesel.

diesel:

10qt rotella 2.5 gal $29.94
oil filter 6.46
fuel filter get changed once evey 2 year or by % $30
DEF costs $0.00322/mile

gas:

5.3qt synthetic $54
oil filter $6.46

$68.60 vs $60.46

so where's the huge difference again?

Turtle n peeps wrote:
Here inlies the problem.

The new oil burner is in the same class as the Ecoboost. It will go head to head with it with the same customer base that will pick. Sale for sale. 2014 against 2014.

It will be real ugly for the oil burner when PUT's does a tow off test between the Ecoboost and the oil burner.

Strangely Ford NA has never offered the Ecoboost as an option on the Global Ranger that has the 3.2 Litre diesel. I guess the supposed fuel economy and pulling power do not exist.

GMC dealer charged me $ 5820 for my last oil change in my 2002 Duramax .
Oops I missed the decimal point .
It was $ 58.20
The only jerks that tried to rip me off for a "Diesel Oil Change " was a Jiffy Lube in Palm Springs in February .
You have to ask , when on the road .

Powerdude wrote:

itguy08 wrote:


We all have to wait for the EPA #'s but I think you all are in for a surprise. See what a 3.0 Diesel Sprinter gets for MPG. That's the closest we have as weight and aerodynamics are comparable.

The Sprinter is 95" tall, while a Dodge ram is 75.2" tall, and the Jeep Grand Cherokee is 68.1" tall without a roof rack.

Frontal area wind resistance increases with the square of the area at about 62 mph, so the Sprinter has a greater frontal area to push against the wind.

It also uses a different engine, whereas the Jeep has the same engine.

I think the Jeep comparison is more realistic. I agree the the "official" numbers will be more interesting, but the EPA overshoots anyway, as do manufacturers as well.

the 2012 sprinter I have been driving the last year gets in the 20.5-22.5 range depending upon the where and how I drive. When on the freeway doing 65-70, 20.5 or so. Slow to the 50-55 range, I can get upwards into the high 22.x range on 2 lane roads.

That is with a 5300 lbs empty LONG WB 9.5' tall version 2500 van.

Marty

travelnutz wrote:
CKNSLS,

"Well there's the $200 oil changes for one thing....."???

Put your reefer down and give me a clue!

WHO pays $200 for an oil change??? Must really be SUMFU! 10 qts 15W40 Dino diesel oil including a new oil filter, greasing, coolant topoff, differential and transfer check and topoff, tranny fluid check and topoff, tire pressure check and fill, windshield washer fill, etc? Never have we even paid close to $80 and with coupons or specials it may be under $50. Our vehicles, both gas and diesel are always done at 10+% remaining according to the DIC or according to the owner's manual schedule. Usually, it's 7,000 to 8,000 miles between changes. ~40,000 between fuel filter changes and that's a $39.95 charge as we just had the 04.5 D/A done in May 2013. Same place has been doing all our oil changes for over 30 years now and we have all the receipts and know what the cost is. Our gas engines are done at 4500 to 5000 miles.

Sure, you can save a few bucks by doing it yourself but we're not interested in the least! Sam's Club here (we have 4 Sam's Clubs within 27 miles) has one gallon Mobil 15W40 diesel oil for $12.97 ea and Meijer's has it for $12.99 ea. 10 qts is $32.43 and the oil filter is between $6 and $10. So, it a max of $42.43 plus 6% sales tax or $2.55. Total of $44.98 every 7,000 to 8,000 miles or approx $.006/mile. 6/10 of a penny per mile cost or about the same as our gas engines. Fuel filter cost for the Duramax is approx 1/10 of one penny per mile.

Where is all that extra costs since you don't even own a diesel?

There is a big difference between those who go to SAMS Club and service at the dealer. I was just over at a boating forum and they state $150.00 for oil and filter at the dealer.

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