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CKNSLS wrote:
nevadanick wrote:
Sales stats prove that Ram is not class leading.
Your right. That's because of the trials and tribulations that the whole corporation has gone through. You know, Fist Cerberus buying Chrysler and then running it in to the ground, and now Fiat is involved.
It has nothing to do with it. Ram/Dodge has been in last place for so long it's because of poor product and dubious quality.
Ask yourself 2 questions:
1. If Ram were so great why have fleets not warmed up to them? In fleets, low TCO and low breakdowns are the name of the game as when that truck is down no $$ is coming in. Uhaul, Budget, etc all rent GM and Ford box trucks. Not a Ram to be found.
2. If Ram were so great why are so many on the used market? For the most part, people get rid of a car/truck when either: 1) costs too much in repairs, 2) can't afford it, and 3) lifestyle changes. You see tons of Rams on used car lots yet fewer Fords and Chevys, and Rams are always cheaper. I wonder why that is?ib516 wrote:
Probably won't do much. The 8speed behind the Hemi still:
1. Gets worse fuel economy than the Ecoboost and GM while towing and not towing.Yup, by a whopping 0.5mpg.
It still beats it. And .5 MPG adds up over 100 or 150k. The Dodge boys have been saying how the 8 speed was going to be the end all of power and MPG and, whoops it doesn/t.2. Is beaten by the Ecoboost in performance both in towing and not towing. REALLY?
So it won 1, tied 1 and lost 1. Maxed out the Ram barely beat the Ecoboost that had plenty of headroom to spare....
Might I direct you here:
and here
Lowest payload and towing capacity. Even the Tundra outclasses the Ram. Yup, a Pretty Boy truck with no substance to back it up.I'd argue the exact opposite. They are the class leaders in trucks right now. Highest tow rating, GVWR, GCWR and torque in the 3500 diesels.
And once you get up there you need a CDL in many states so you'd be better off going with a beefier platform than a pickup. And it has Chrysler's "famous" quality which means it won't be long for this world.Highest hp/tq and towing in the 2014 gas 2500 & 3500s (6.4L Hemi). Air suspension added to the 2014 HDs.
Got me there.Only manufacturer to still offer a 6 speed standard transmission.
With a seriously de-rated engine.They also have the Power Wagon, which is by far the most capable factory built HD truck. Nothing like that from GM, though Ford has a "sort of similar" vehicle in the Raptor.
Uh, yeah whatever. The Raptor is the better all around truck. Basically a factory Baja truck vs a rock crawler it the Power Wagon.The current 1500s have the best interiors, industry first 8 speed automatic transmissions, innovative air suspension, and highest mpg in the 1500s (gas or diesel), they are the only light duty diesel on the market, the list goes on.
The lowest payload and towing in the 1500's an interior that is nice but not best. Added complexity of the 8 speed and wrapped up in the dubious quality Chrysler is known for.
Again same old junk and song and dance from Mopar guys. Close but no cigar and always excuses why...nevadanick wrote:
Sales stats prove that Ram is not class leading.
Your right. That's because of the trials and tribulations that the whole corporation has gone through. You know, Fist Cerberus buying Chrysler and then running it in to the ground, and now Fiat is involved.
I don't even know if RAM has enough factory capacity to build numbers of trucks like Ford or GM does. My guess would be they don't.
However, they are putting some pretty good products together. A 1500 diesel for those of us who want a daily driver that doesn't ride like a truck is ideal. That's why I purchased my Silverado 1500-it was going to be my daily driver and my tow vehicle. Yes, a little more payload would be nice in half tons generally, but if you started putting a studier frame, bigger brakes,etc., the ride would get worse and the price advantage of buying a half ton would go away.
BTW-there are plenty of good products that don't sell well for a myriad of reasons.- Sales stats prove that Ram is not class leading.
itguy08 wrote:
ib516 wrote:
This Ram 1500 diesel has an 8 speed auto, the same 3.55 gears (with smaller tires?), and has 240hp and 420tq.
On the mpg, it has been stated that it (the 3.0L Deisel) will exceed the 3.6L Pentastar V6/8 speed combo which is rated at 25 mpg highway. The same engine/transmission in a Jeep Grand Cherokee is rated at 30 US mpg highway. I'm thinking 28 or 29 mpg when used in a larger Ram 1500 would be a close guess.
Probably won't do much. The 8speed behind the Hemi still:
1. Gets worse fuel economy than the Ecoboost and GM while towing and not towing.Yup, by a whopping 0.5mpg.
2. Is beaten by the Ecoboost in performance both in towing and not towing. REALLY?
Lie much?:h
It will be interesting but I'm not expecting much from Chrysler. A leader they are not....
At least you're consistent and predictable in your bashing. :R
I'd argue the exact opposite. They are the class leaders in trucks right now. Highest tow rating, GVWR, GCWR and torque in the 3500 diesels. Highest hp/tq and towing in the 2014 gas 2500 & 3500s (6.4L Hemi). Air suspension added to the 2014 HDs. Only manufacturer to still offer a 6 speed standard transmission. The HDs also have two gas engines available (5.7L and 6.4L), and three power ratings and three transmissions available with the diesel. Name me another HD truck manufacturer that can say that...not GM, not Ford.
They also have the Power Wagon, which is by far the most capable factory built HD truck. Nothing like that from GM, though Ford has a "sort of similar" vehicle in the Raptor.
The current 1500s have the best interiors, industry first 8 speed automatic transmissions, innovative air suspension, and highest mpg in the 1500s (gas or diesel), they are the only light duty diesel on the market, the list goes on.
It's the competition that is playing catch up right now.docnascar wrote:
downtheroad wrote:
Impressive numbers...I would also like to see Payload info on it.
2014 Diesel Supplement Manual shows Max Payload: 1,520 lbs
pg 58.
That's real close to the payload of my 2011 Crew Cab Silverado w/the 5.3. The payload on my truck is 1447 pounds. There are Ultra Light trailers out there that are built well and are the "sweet spot" for the half-ton market with this type of payload. I just pulled my 29foot 4,700 pound dry Eclipse Milan 8,000 miles in 8 months. The Filon/Aluminum trailer gave me ZERO problems and didn't fall apart.Turtle n Peeps wrote:
If anybody has a tow off between the new oil burner and the EB, (and you know they will :E)it's going to come out exactly the same as the 6.5 diesel and the 7.4. gas tow off. The diesel will get smoked!!
Unless it's raining...ib516 wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Have any of you ever towed a 7K TT with a 200 HP diesel? I own a 200 (with exhaust and the pump turned up maybe around 225??) HP diesel and tow a 7K TT with it. In the big hills I get down to less than 30 MPH.
Now I know this thing will have about 40 HP more or so and more gears so maybe around 35 on big hills with a 7K TT. Then add in the extra ton and you're back to less than 30 MPH again. :E
IMHO they will sell quite a few of these things in 1 or 2 years and then word will get out about performance and sales will drop in the toilet unless they turn the HP up.
Like it or not; believe it or not, performance sells in trucks. If not, the Cummins would still be at 175 HP.
It's a new age. People expect to run 60 to 65 MPH up hills fully loaded. People think if your truck drops a gear or two on hills it is struggling. :R
Guess we will see how thing go for this new oil burner.
While you do have a point, don't forget you are towing with a 4 speed auto, and this new Ram 1500 has 8 ratios.
Ya I know, and I accounted for that in my rant. :B
But as you know, gears add no power, just torque. So the 8 speed is not going to make this truck go up a hill faster (oh, maybe a few miles an hour because it will keep it in the power band a bit better than my 4 speed).
Here is what's going to happen in a tow off between the EB and the new oil burner.
The only advantage the oil burner will have is fuel mileage. It won't even have the advantage at altitude because the EB is also turbo'ed. 125 HP is a HUGE advantage.
If anybody has a tow off between the new oil burner and the EB, (and you know they will :E)it's going to come out exactly the same as the 6.5 diesel and the 7.4. gas tow off. The diesel will get smoked!!
The guy with the EB will be able to drink 2 beers before the oil burner gets to the top of the hill. To me, I don't really care how fast I make it to the top of the hill. But after reading many posts on here about towing, it looks like I'm in the minority when it comes to towing slow up hills.
Now, are they going to turn this thing up in a few years like GM did to the Duramax? Only time will tell. 300HP in a half ton would be pretty cool IMHO. :Cspoon059 wrote:
I think the truck to beat right now is the Ecoboost with the high payload and great torque. For those of us that don't need to haul 20K lbs trailers up a 30% incline, the Ecoboost is an awesome combo. I don't own one yet, but in a couple of years when its time to look at a new truck, its currently at the top of my list.
I disagree. This drivetrain has so many issues and now a government investigation into those issues, I'd wait until Ford finally finds a fix with a new designed intercooler. Until a permanent fix is issued, this engine is tarnishing the Ford name with reliability problems. I think the engine to beat right now is the 6.2L from Ford (or a HD Payload 5.0L Crew 4WD) and then the upcoming GM direct injection 6.2L with 420HP and 450 lbs of torque (even if I can't stand GM :) ).nohurry wrote:
IMHO this truck won't be for towing. The majority will be sold to posers that will put an 8" lift, 40" tires, loud exhaust and pass you going 75-80 MPH to get to the next fuel station so they can pull in and show everybody that they use the green nozzle now!
On edit: I will give Ram credit for giving them that option. More choices is always good for consumers.
Exactly. There is a place for this type of vehicle in the market, but from an RVers perspective (again... this is RV.net) this vehicle seems to be a bust for me. Low payload and power equal to or lesser than a cheaper gas engine. Not what you want when towing an RV.
If you want a light duty truck for pulling a small camper that also doubles as your daily driver, this might be a really good option if it gets in the high 20's on the highway. For me, we have a Camry for highway non towing driveway. I use my pickup to haul the camper, gravel, mulch, house supplies, etc etc. I think the truck to beat right now is the Ecoboost with the high payload and great torque. For those of us that don't need to haul 20K lbs trailers up a 30% incline, the Ecoboost is an awesome combo. I don't own one yet, but in a couple of years when its time to look at a new truck, its currently at the top of my list.
