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RobertRyan wrote:
Does not make much of a difference if the overall vehicles sales are down, costs are up per vehicle sold , so they make either a loss for the company or shift production.
So you shifted your debate from being sold outside of US markets to where they will produced? How does this matter in regard to the amount of trucks being sold in the US? Especially since the new USMCA trade agreement requires 75% of a vehicle made in US, Mexico, or Canada to avoid a tariff.RobertRyan wrote:
That 80 million number is FALSE, equally false is your 5 million Pickups sold ( where?)and the 3 million sold in the US
100 million vehicles in 2019
There is a big difference between a there will be assumption and what is. Especially from an article written in the second month of the 2019. The actual most up to date numbers says they are dead wrong in their assumption since there has only been 73.3 million sold the first 10 months of 2019.RobertRyan wrote:
JIMNLIN wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Pretty interesting.
Owner Review: I Drove a Ram HD 2500 Nearly 100,000 Miles in Africa
Interesting thread;
Owners says;
""After all these years it gave me zero issues. It was a concern as the closest dealership is thousands of miles away by ship.
Currently, my Ram is on its way back to Canada. After these years in Africa, it’s coming back for some maintenance and then heading to South America for some more expeditions.”" eoq
Thats amazing.....but not surprising for any 3/4 ton HD Dodge/Ram....Ford super duties or the GM twins. Especially out here in farm and ranch country where some of these trucks don't see many highway miles other than farm to market.
Many spend most of their lives in 4wd mode pulling some type of equipment off pavement on dirt trails or county roads or pastures/etc especially flat bed trucks with a feeder/bale spear in the bed.
It would be interesting if the owner had posted his maintenance schedule....number of tires used/fuel usage/etc.
Really not that amazing and it should not be. You get cars that easily turn 100,000miles without major issues. Also Pickup manufacturers give warranties that are 5yrs now. Isuzu DMax said you should get 350,000km or 220,000 miles before a major overhaul. 95% sold have met that target
Some of the cars in Africa including the Peugot 404 Ute in Africa received substantial abuse
It actually is considering it is a full US Tier 3 emissions equipped vehicle with a NOx limit much lower than Euro 6. Also, the B50 life on the Cummins ISB is 350,000 miles(560,000 km).RobertRyan wrote:
JIMNLIN wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Pretty interesting.
Owner Review: I Drove a Ram HD 2500 Nearly 100,000 Miles in Africa
Interesting thread;
Owners says;
""After all these years it gave me zero issues. It was a concern as the closest dealership is thousands of miles away by ship.
Currently, my Ram is on its way back to Canada. After these years in Africa, it’s coming back for some maintenance and then heading to South America for some more expeditions.”" eoq
Thats amazing.....but not surprising for any 3/4 ton HD Dodge/Ram....Ford super duties or the GM twins. Especially out here in farm and ranch country where some of these trucks don't see many highway miles other than farm to market.
Many spend most of their lives in 4wd mode pulling some type of equipment off pavement on dirt trails or county roads or pastures/etc especially flat bed trucks with a feeder/bale spear in the bed.
It would be interesting if the owner had posted his maintenance schedule....number of tires used/fuel usage/etc.
Really not that amazing and it should not be. You get cars that easily turn 100,000miles without major issues. Also Pickup manufacturers give warranties that are 5yrs now. Isuzu DMax said you should get 350,000km or 220,000 miles before a major overhaul. 95% sold have met that target
Some of the cars in Africa including the Peugot 404 Ute in Africa received substantial abuse
Shiner Brock wrote:
Okay, first you were talking about sales being shifted to other markets and now you are saying it is production? Which one is it?
We are talking about truck models here, not over all vehicles sales. In that regard, more trucks are sold in the US than all other markets combined so it does need to be sold elsewhere to to make a profit.
In regards to overall vehicles sales, 100 million is a false. It is more like 80 million. Over 5 million are pickup trucks and the US alone makes up almost 3 million of those sales not including Canada.
Does not make much of a difference if the overall vehicles sales are down, costs are up per vehicle sold , so they make either a loss for the company or shift production.
That 80 million number is FALSE, equally false is your 5 million Pickups sold ( where?)and the 3 million sold in the US
100 million vehicles in 2019JIMNLIN wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Pretty interesting.
Owner Review: I Drove a Ram HD 2500 Nearly 100,000 Miles in Africa
Interesting thread;
Owners says;
""After all these years it gave me zero issues. It was a concern as the closest dealership is thousands of miles away by ship.
Currently, my Ram is on its way back to Canada. After these years in Africa, it’s coming back for some maintenance and then heading to South America for some more expeditions.”" eoq
Thats amazing.....but not surprising for any 3/4 ton HD Dodge/Ram....Ford super duties or the GM twins. Especially out here in farm and ranch country where some of these trucks don't see many highway miles other than farm to market.
Many spend most of their lives in 4wd mode pulling some type of equipment off pavement on dirt trails or county roads or pastures/etc especially flat bed trucks with a feeder/bale spear in the bed.
It would be interesting if the owner had posted his maintenance schedule....number of tires used/fuel usage/etc.
Really not that amazing and it should not be. You get cars that easily turn 100,000miles without major issues. Also Pickup manufacturers give warranties that are 5yrs now. Isuzu DMax said you should get 350,000km or 220,000 miles before a major overhaul. 95% sold have met that target
Some of the cars in Africa including the Peugot 404 Ute in Africa received substantial abuseRobertRyan wrote:
Shiner Brock wrote:
This is true, however, due to the size of the US truck market there is no need to leverage production to other markets to make selling them profitable. In fact, the US sells more pickup trucks every year than the rest of the world combined. Our market is big enough to have market specific vehicles while many other markets are not, and need to spread amongst many markets to make designing/building them profitab
Far from it, if the market goes down then manufacturers are not making profits but losses overall. They would start shipping more production to Mexico to reduce costs. Mary Barra the Woman the head of GM said they could make profits of a turnover of a 10 million vehicles, if the market got that low, but I certainly would have my doubts on that
Globally 100 million vehicles are sold, so 2 million is a pretty small percentage of that number
Okay, first you were talking about sales being shifted to other markets and now you are saying it is production? Which one is it?
We are talking about truck models here, not over all vehicles sales. In that regard, more trucks are sold in NA than all other markets combined so it does need to be sold elsewhere to to make a profit.
In regards to overall vehicles sales, 100 million is a false. It is more like 80 million. Over 5 million are pickup trucks and the US alone makes up almost 3 million of those sales not including Canada.Shiner Brock wrote:
This is true, however, due to the size of the US truck market there is no need to leverage production to other markets to make selling them profitable. In fact, the US sells more pickup trucks every year than the rest of the world combined. Our market is big enough to have market specific vehicles while many other markets are not, and need to spread amongst many markets to make designing/building them profitab
Far from it, if the market goes down then manufacturers are not making profits but losses overall. They would start shipping more production to Mexico to reduce costs. Mary Barra the Woman the head of GM said they could make profits of a turnover of a 10 million vehicles, if the market got that low, but I certainly would have my doubts on that
Globally 100 million vehicles are sold, so 2 million is a pretty small percentage of that numberRobertRyan wrote:
Shiner Brock wrote:
Robert Ryan, you are going to have to get over the fact that we have different trucks for different uses and different terminology/classes for our trucks. No one here is getting mad at you for using Australian terminology for trucks and you should not get mad at us for using American terminology.
Also, using what people do globally as the standard does not apply here either. After all, only 35% of the world drives on the left side of the road. Does that mean Australia and others that do are wrong because most of the world drives on the right? No, so why do you chastise us for doing something that most of the world does differently?
In a way the US market is unique to two Countries, like Australian car/ truck Utes were limited to Australia and New Zealand. Nothing wrong with it
Problems arrive when there is a downturn and you want to leverage your production over several markets. Not possible with only two markets, but not a problem with 150.
Global Pickups and Trucks work on the latter scenario
This is true, however, due to the size of the US truck market there is no need to leverage production to other markets to make selling them profitable. In fact, the US sells more pickup trucks every year than the rest of the world combined. Our market is big enough to have market specific vehicles while many other markets are not, and need to spread amongst many markets to make designing/building them profitable.ShinerBock wrote:
Pretty interesting.
Owner Review: I Drove a Ram HD 2500 Nearly 100,000 Miles in Africa
Interesting thread;
Owners says;
""After all these years it gave me zero issues. It was a concern as the closest dealership is thousands of miles away by ship.
Currently, my Ram is on its way back to Canada. After these years in Africa, it’s coming back for some maintenance and then heading to South America for some more expeditions.”" eoq
Thats amazing.....but not surprising for any 3/4 ton HD Dodge/Ram....Ford super duties or the GM twins. Especially out here in farm and ranch country where some of these trucks don't see many highway miles other than farm to market.
Many spend most of their lives in 4wd mode pulling some type of equipment off pavement on dirt trails or county roads or pastures/etc especially flat bed trucks with a feeder/bale spear in the bed.
It would be interesting if the owner had posted his maintenance schedule....number of tires used/fuel usage/etc.Shiner Brock wrote:
Robert Ryan, you are going to have to get over the fact that we have different trucks for different uses and different terminology/classes for our trucks. No one here is getting mad at you for using Australian terminology for trucks and you should not get mad at us for using American terminology.
Also, using what people do globally as the standard does not apply here either. After all, only 35% of the world drives on the left side of the road. Does that mean Australia and others that do are wrong because most of the world drives on the right? No, so why do you chastise us for doing something that most of the world does differently?
In a way the US market is unique to two Countries, like Australian car/ truck Utes were limited to Australia and New Zealand. Nothing wrong with it
Problems arrive when there is a downturn and you want to leverage your production over several markets. Not possible with only two markets, but not a problem with 150.
Global Pickups and Trucks work on the latter scenario
