Ram overtakes GM

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ksss wrote:
Dont kid yourself, any price advantage there is by building in Mexico isnt going to reduce the price. That price difference goes into their pocket, the consumer is not benefiting from that. The price is set on what the market will bring.

To add injury to insult Ram is now owned by a foreign company (FCA)and they call all the shots. Including keeping Ram HD truck manufacturing in Mexico.

Ram is owned by US based FCA US LLC which is a subsidiary of the Italian-American owned Fiat Chrysler Automobile group. Fiat Chrysler Automobile was a merger of American company, Chrysler, and Italian company, Fiat. Hence the reason why it is called FCA and not FA. Because of this, FCA US LLC has more autonomy from Fiat Chrysler Automobiles than most people think.

Ram Trucks


In regards to price. If you look at average retail prices between the brands. Ram has historically been the lowest on average aside from the few years the high price SRT10 made their average sky rocket. Not sure if this from passed on saving from building in Mexico(which I am not against) or not, but the numbers seem to point to that.

Don't kid yourself... Fiat calls the shots just like Daimler did.

FCA US LLC calls the shots in regards to the US brands since it is mostly the Chrysler side of FCA. FCA Group calls the shots in regards to earnings. There was an article about it not too long ago when they interviewed an exec. He specifically said that FCA group lets FCA US call the shots on their own products and brands unless that product or brand starts to lose profitability. I will post it when I find it again.

Don’t waste your time as I’m sure it’s a fairy tale. Also I’m sure that any US based Chrysler management gets any credit is when someone across the pond needs to cast blame for something that went wrong.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:


I will gladly pay more for a truck that is "Made in the USA".

To be honest. I think you would buy a Ford Powerstroke regardless if it were assembled in the US or not, and you just use the "assembled in USA" because you feel it gives you a one up on the Ram guys. I for one don't care, but I know a few that get their feathers ruffled because of it.

But he buys Michelin tires.

I do.... I purchased a set for my wife’s Edge Sport

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:


I will gladly pay more for a truck that is "Made in the USA".

To be honest. I think you would buy a Ford Powerstroke regardless if it were assembled in the US or not, and you just use the "assembled in USA" because you feel it gives you a one up on the Ram guys. I for one don't care, but I know a few that get their feathers ruffled because of it.

But he buys Michelin tires.

Charlie D. wrote:
Forum issues prevent me from seeing the first page but I found this.
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/10/gm-truck-sales-outpace-ford-and-ram-in-q3-2019/

Finally a FAIR way for deciding truck sales.

08 Exporer, 12 F250, 17 F350, 18 Navigator zero problems with any of them.

dodge guy wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:


I will gladly pay more for a truck that is "Made in the USA".

To be honest. I think you would buy a Ford Powerstroke regardless if it were assembled in the US or not, and you just use the "assembled in USA" because you feel it gives you a one up on the Ram guys. I for one don't care, but I know a few that get their feathers ruffled because of it.

Obviously you don't know me and touched on a hot topic... I almost purchased a Dodge Ram in 1998 for my personal truck and discovered it was Made in Mexico so I pulled the plug on that purchase. Before that I only owned GM products.

Hate to tell you, but a lot of the pieces in every car are made in another country! I for one am not buying another Ford product. They may run OK, but they look like junk after 5 years. My neighbors 11 F150 looks like it’s been in the ocean it’s entire life and it just turned 100 miles. My wife’s 13 Explorer has the paint on the hood popping along with the rear doors rusting on the inside along the upper seem of the door panel. Not to mention the camera stopped working as well as the left door unlock switch. No more for me! And I was a Big Ford guy since I could drive, despite my username.

Perhaps the excessive rust is from the harsh winters in IL ?

When I got my "15" I took into consideration all the "BRINE" that the state ( PA ) was starting to use and I sprayed all the pinch points on my truck, this will be the 6th winter (got her May of 2014) of snow plowing with it and not 1 spec of rust...

While I am partial to Ford, I am far from a cheerleader, and or brand specific.. When buying, I usually will look at all 3 and start my pro - con list from there...

** AND like you... my name is only a name... I've owned ALL 3 and was a long time supporter of GM..

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:


I will gladly pay more for a truck that is "Made in the USA".

To be honest. I think you would buy a Ford Powerstroke regardless if it were assembled in the US or not, and you just use the "assembled in USA" because you feel it gives you a one up on the Ram guys. I for one don't care, but I know a few that get their feathers ruffled because of it.

Obviously you don't know me and touched on a hot topic... I almost purchased a Dodge Ram in 1998 for my personal truck and discovered it was Made in Mexico so I pulled the plug on that purchase. Before that I only owned GM products.

Hate to tell you, but a lot of the pieces in every car are made in another country! I for one am not buying another Ford product. They may run OK, but they look like junk after 5 years. My neighbors 11 F150 looks like it’s been in the ocean it’s entire life and it just turned 100 miles. My wife’s 13 Explorer has the paint on the hood popping along with the rear doors rusting on the inside along the upper seem of the door panel. Not to mention the camera stopped working as well as the left door unlock switch. No more for me! And I was a Big Ford guy since I could drive, despite my username.

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ksss wrote:
Dont kid yourself, any price advantage there is by building in Mexico isnt going to reduce the price. That price difference goes into their pocket, the consumer is not benefiting from that. The price is set on what the market will bring.

To add injury to insult Ram is now owned by a foreign company (FCA)and they call all the shots. Including keeping Ram HD truck manufacturing in Mexico.

Ram is owned by US based FCA US LLC which is a subsidiary of the Italian-American owned Fiat Chrysler Automobile group. Fiat Chrysler Automobile was a merger of American company, Chrysler, and Italian company, Fiat. Hence the reason why it is called FCA and not FA. Because of this, FCA US LLC has more autonomy from Fiat Chrysler Automobiles than most people think.

Ram Trucks


In regards to price. If you look at average retail prices between the brands. Ram has historically been the lowest on average aside from the few years the high price SRT10 made their average sky rocket. Not sure if this from passed on saving from building in Mexico(which I am not against) or not, but the numbers seem to point to that.

Don't kid yourself... Fiat calls the shots just like Daimler did.

FCA US LLC calls the shots in regards to the US brands since it is mostly the Chrysler side of FCA. FCA Group calls the shots in regards to earnings. There was an article about it not too long ago when they interviewed an exec. He specifically said that FCA group lets FCA US call the shots on their own products and brands unless that product or brand starts to lose profitability. I will post it when I find it again.

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:


I will gladly pay more for a truck that is "Made in the USA".

To be honest. I think you would buy a Ford Powerstroke regardless if it were assembled in the US or not, and you just use the "assembled in USA" because you feel it gives you a one up on the Ram guys. I for one don't care, but I know a few that get their feathers ruffled because of it.

Obviously you don't know me and touched on a hot topic... I almost purchased a Dodge Ram in 1998 for my personal truck and discovered it was Made in Mexico so I pulled the plug on that purchase. Before that I only owned GM products.

Nah, I think you would still buy a PSD even if the rest of it were assembled in Mexico like the engine.

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ksss wrote:
Dont kid yourself, any price advantage there is by building in Mexico isnt going to reduce the price. That price difference goes into their pocket, the consumer is not benefiting from that. The price is set on what the market will bring.

To add injury to insult Ram is now owned by a foreign company (FCA)and they call all the shots. Including keeping Ram HD truck manufacturing in Mexico.

Ram is owned by US based FCA US LLC which is a subsidiary of the Italian-American owned Fiat Chrysler Automobile group. Fiat Chrysler Automobile was a merger of American company, Chrysler, and Italian company, Fiat. Hence the reason why it is called FCA and not FA. Because of this, FCA US LLC has more autonomy from Fiat Chrysler Automobiles than most people think.

Ram Trucks


In regards to price. If you look at average retail prices between the brands. Ram has historically been the lowest on average aside from the few years the high price SRT10 made their average sky rocket. Not sure if this from passed on saving from building in Mexico(which I am not against) or not, but the numbers seem to point to that.

Don't kid yourself... Fiat calls the shots just like Daimler did.