John - great response and I really appreciate it! We are a family of 7 already, so the trucks are out altogether unless we do two vehicles. We may really have to consider two vehicles. I appreciate the real world stories especially in your case where it is very similar to what my scenario may be. It's what I need to hear before I pull the trigger. I hear a lot of people talking about full size vans, but when I really dig into the specs, the payload is great, even on the 3/4 ton variety, but tow capacity maxes about 10K IF you can find the right gear/engine combo. It seems very difficult to find the right combo.