Real weights of an arctic Fox 1140?

Interesting, based on those specs posted there is even less physical difference and more marketing difference between the 350drw and 450 pickup. I was wrong in my Ford assumption above.
No S110 axle until you step up to the C&C apparently. Not that a Dana 80 isn't tough as nails anyway.
Since this turned into the 350v450 thread, lol.
Looks to me then that a 450 pickup is essentially a 350 drw widetrak with 19.5s.
Can't go wrong either way, and like SoCal said, order the one you want if it's important to you.

2BLAZERS wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
Know that gvws are only a rough guideline for vehicle classes and do not delve into specific component strengths or their suitability in a certain combination.
Look no further than 9900lb gvw 2500s that are no different than a 12000lb gvw 3500 save for the badge on the fender.

So what 9,900 gvw 2500 is exactly the same as a 12k gvw 3500 other than the badge? EXACTLY the same! ????? If that's true why do you have ''Firestone Bags, Big Wig swaybar, homemade stable loads'' on your 2500??

Honestly I think you are being misleading and helping people justify their 250/2500 carrying a 5k truck camper... ''cause you just need to add some better wheels''.......

Don't take everything in such a literal sense. My 9 year old does that, but he's just learning.
You've read enough of my posts to know what I mean.
Btw, I'd have that same stuff on a 3500 as well. Maybe not the airbags if it was one with a 5k or better payload.

mkirsch wrote:

SoCalDesertRider wrote:
For the tiny tiny difference in purchase price of the F250 versus the F350SRW, it is far better to get the F350SRW, instead of the F250. Same goes for the GM and Dodge 2500 versus 3500SRW.

Trucks these days are $50,000-$80,000 new. The extra measily $500 for the one-ton SRW versus the 3/4-ton is mere peanut crumbs, in the scheme of things. Buy the right truck from the get-go!

Have you been on a dealer lot recently? A large dealer may have a dozen 2500's on the lot, and maybe ONE 3500 SRW. In "fleet truck" trim, meaning lily white, crank windows, puke-on floors, vinyl seats, regular cab...

I've sat here for years and read you guys saying, "Just get a 3500 SRW," but they simply aren't out there! The only way to get one is to order one.

If you want a truck *NOW* you are stuck with a 2500.

So order one. What's so hard about that? Then, you can have the truck exactly the way you want it!

We're talking a big-money purchase here.

This is not buying one flavor or the other of 99 cent M&M's at the grocery store checkout line, where you take whatever flavor they happen to have and be happy about it, because you certainly aren't going to wait another week or month to buy your groceries, over a piddly thing like M&M's flavors.

A $50,000+ purchase is certainly worth carefully planning and thinking about and ordering and waiting for.

Like buying a house. How many homes did you visit before finally coming to a decision and making an offer on the one you wanted, and how much time did you spend counter offering and haggling the details until you were happy and finally said go, and then how long did you wait for all the escrow process to be done, before you could finally move into it? And I'm sure it was well worth the time, cause your wife was happy about the new house!

Now days, a new truck cost more than a new house did not too long ago. I dont personally view a new vehicle purchase as an impulse decision, gotta have it right this minute, and take whatever they happen to have, whether I like it or not.

Even with a used vehicle, I don't jump on the first one I find, just because it's there. I search long and hard to find just what I want, or as close to as possible, at a good price and condition that I can accept.

SoCalDesertRider wrote:
For the tiny tiny difference in purchase price of the F250 versus the F350SRW, it is far better to get the F350SRW, instead of the F250. Same goes for the GM and Dodge 2500 versus 3500SRW.

Trucks these days are $50,000-$80,000 new. The extra measily $500 for the one-ton SRW versus the 3/4-ton is mere peanut crumbs, in the scheme of things. Buy the right truck from the get-go!

Have you been on a dealer lot recently? A large dealer may have a dozen 2500's on the lot, and maybe ONE 3500 SRW. In "fleet truck" trim, meaning lily white, crank windows, puke-on floors, vinyl seats, regular cab...

I've sat here for years and read you guys saying, "Just get a 3500 SRW," but they simply aren't out there! The only way to get one is to order one.

If you want a truck *NOW* you are stuck with a 2500.

Note it indicates the rear axel is different internally between the F250 and F350. The other thing that is strange is that the F250 diesel comes with vacuum brakes instead of the hydroboast of the F350. Another person told me this was correct and that Ford was adding a vacuum pump to the 250 diesels to do this. At some point after 2013 I think Ford dropped this and went to hydroboast for all of the diesels.

This is a known mess up in the way Ford placed specs according to Ford diesel truck techs on several websites.

The 2 pinion should be under the F450...

The 1.50/1.57/37 spline comes under the F350 DRW....

Just a point here but even if the axle diameter was different it wouldn't make the load carried any difference as a rear full floating axle don't carry the load. Fords list the same tow rating for the F250 and F350 SRW in most cases.

Specs tells us the engine/tranny and both axles can be the same all depending on cab selections/2wd vs 4wd in some cases.

As was mentioned we can find small differences even in the F350 SRW truck line with all their different RAWR and GVWR packages such as a 10000 gvwr F350 .....same as the F250 10000 gvwr with exception of the 250 at 6100 rawr vs some F350 srw at 6290 rawr.

However even Fords spring rating specs can be the same for both size trucks depending on package selections.

For the tiny tiny difference in purchase price of the F250 versus the F350SRW, it is far better to get the F350SRW, instead of the F250. Same goes for the GM and Dodge 2500 versus 3500SRW.

Trucks these days are $50,000-$80,000 new. The extra measily $500 for the one-ton SRW versus the 3/4-ton is mere peanut crumbs, in the scheme of things. Buy the right truck from the get-go!

Bedlam wrote:

2BLAZERS wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
Know that gvws are only a rough guideline for vehicle classes and do not delve into specific component strengths or their suitability in a certain combination.
Look no further than 9900lb gvw 2500s that are no different than a 12000lb gvw 3500 save for the badge on the fender.

So what 9,900 gvw 2500 is exactly the same as a 12k gvw 3500 other than the badge? EXACTLY the same! ????? If that's true why do you have ''Firestone Bags, Big Wig swaybar, homemade stable loads'' on your 2500??

Honestly I think you are being misleading and helping people justify their 250/2500 carrying a 5k truck camper... ''cause you just need to add some better wheels''.......

There is very little difference if any between the SRW 3500 and 2500. Once you go to the DRW 3500, the axle and brakes may be bigger than the SRW's, but the frame is still the same. Spring rates vary based on the options chosen and cannot be assumed to be more for a 3500 over a 2500.

I have always been a bit confused about this.. DRW is substantially different (except the frame) than SRW ( even get a 4 ton hydralic jack instead of a 2 ton mechanical one). For the SRW I am not sure. Adding the camper package to the F250 gets you the overload spring the F350 has. However, there are bits and pieces that seem different. Here is a snapshot of one page of the 2013 Ford tech specs I got when I was shopping:



Note it indicates the rear axel is different internally between the F250 and F350. The other thing that is strange is that the F250 diesel comes with vacuum brakes instead of the hydroboast of the F350. Another person told me this was correct and that Ford was adding a vacuum pump to the 250 diesels to do this. At some point after 2013 I think Ford dropped this and went to hydroboast for all of the diesels.

Since I went straight to the DRW I never really tried to chase this things down.

Bedlam wrote:

2BLAZERS wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
Know that gvws are only a rough guideline for vehicle classes and do not delve into specific component strengths or their suitability in a certain combination.
Look no further than 9900lb gvw 2500s that are no different than a 12000lb gvw 3500 save for the badge on the fender.

So what 9,900 gvw 2500 is exactly the same as a 12k gvw 3500 other than the badge? EXACTLY the same! ????? If that's true why do you have ''Firestone Bags, Big Wig swaybar, homemade stable loads'' on your 2500??

Honestly I think you are being misleading and helping people justify their 250/2500 carrying a 5k truck camper... ''cause you just need to add some better wheels''.......

There is very little difference if any between the SRW 3500 and 2500. Once you go to the DRW 3500, the axle and brakes may be bigger than the SRW's, but the frame is still the same. Spring rates vary based on the options chosen and cannot be assumed to be more for a 3500 over a 2500.

This and I can attest to 03-09 rams. Everything is the same and the addition of an overload was all the difference they had. This might blow your mind...my 2500 has a gvrw of 9000 lbs. Its a joke that a badge and overload spring takes the same truck I have to 10,100. Same axles, brakes, frame.

I'm not current enough nor have I replaced parts in the newer 4th gen trucks but coils in the rear is a pretty large difference but I would be shocked if they used larger brakes, axles and frames on the 3500 series, it doesn't make sense from a manufacturer standpoint!

2BLAZERS wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
Know that gvws are only a rough guideline for vehicle classes and do not delve into specific component strengths or their suitability in a certain combination.
Look no further than 9900lb gvw 2500s that are no different than a 12000lb gvw 3500 save for the badge on the fender.

So what 9,900 gvw 2500 is exactly the same as a 12k gvw 3500 other than the badge? EXACTLY the same! ????? If that's true why do you have ''Firestone Bags, Big Wig swaybar, homemade stable loads'' on your 2500??

Honestly I think you are being misleading and helping people justify their 250/2500 carrying a 5k truck camper... ''cause you just need to add some better wheels''.......

There is very little difference if any between the SRW 3500 and 2500. Once you go to the DRW 3500, the axle and brakes may be bigger than the SRW's, but the frame is still the same. Spring rates vary based on the options chosen and cannot be assumed to be more for a 3500 over a 2500.

Here are the 2016 numbers (see page 10)

Ford Rv Towing Guide 2106

Interesting the gas went down a bit from 2013. The F450 went down as well. I don't know the reasons. All of these are maximums meaning bare bone trucks.

I haven't been able to find the 2017 numbers yet, I would note when I went truck shopping for a camper hauler it was very interesting to open the driver door and look at the yellow sticker giving maximum payload. Trim options and having a diesel really do reduce payload. Just for fun here is my yellow sticker. It would be interesting to see what others hauling campers have for their payload:



(In case anybody is confused by the numbers the camper numbers in the guide assume you have a 150 pound passenger in each seat so they are smaller then the payload numbers on the sticker)