Should I delete? Delete comparison

ShinerBock wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

2.5 g/hp-r is 12.5 times 0.2 g/hp-hr. So during it's life the 2004 will emit 12.5 times more NOx than the 2010, so what do you think?

I think that is looking at a number and not the big picture. You have to look at the system as a whole and not just one number. Like the old expression says "tripping over a dollar to get a penny" You also can't just look at personal vehicles since the heavy duty trucking industry is by far the biggest users of DEF.

wilber1 wrote:
Jugs are recycled where I come from and I doubt trucks make trips just to delver DEF to stores. As I said before, DEF represents a very small fraction of urea production,

Jugs may be recycled where you come from, but I doubt they are for the majority of users. Most seem to just toss them in the trash once they are through with them.

Also, there are many trucks in the medium and heavy duty trucking industry that have the sole purpose of delivering DEF to truck stops and fleet terminals. I know because I have sold 3,000 gallon DEF totes to many of my fleet customers and a DEF delivery truck comes by and refills them when they are empty. These trucks would go out daily to refill these totes since these 50+ fleets of class 8 trucks go through it so quickly.

Many of my oilfield customers also kept bulk containers of DEF on site since you have to leave the trucks running at all times 24/7 when fracking sometimes up to 10-15 trucks lined up in a row all running non-stop. Multiply that times hundreds of pad sites in just one area being done on any given day. There would be DEF delivery trucks going out to these sites as well on a daily basis.

Then there are the trucks that deliver the DEF from the bottling location to be distributed to warehouses like a Walmart regional warehouse to be distributed to the stores. One of my customers does that as well. And yes, they have many trucks for the sole purpose of delivering these large pallet quantities of DEF to these distribution warehouses across the US.

Well where you live is definitely behind where I live when it comes to recycling. You can't even put kitchen and garden waste in the trash here, anything compostable is picked up separately.

You still have presented no evidence that using DEF puts more pollutants into the air than non DEF vehicles. Also, considering the amount of lubricants, coolants and other fluids ICE's use, you are making a great case for electric vehicles.