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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
OK so why is your truck so much slower?time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Then why is your truck so much slower?
Let me try to explain to the fan bois.... my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
How do you know it is? Until it is certified at the track nothing is true. Nothing.
But lets say the spec's on the cyber junk are all true and the cyber junk goes 0 to 60 in 2 seconds or whatever. The reason the cyber junk would beat my truck is because HP and not torque. HP determines how "fast" AND "quick" a vehicle is.
Must we really go over this AGAIN? Torque is not power. I can have 1000 ft/lbs of torque at 1000 RPM and have less than 200 HP.
It takes a lot of HP to go fast and quick and you know what that takes? Yep, a lot of energy.
My car uses about 1.2 gallons of gasoline to drive a little less than a mile. A gallon of gasoline has a LOT of energy in it unlike LI batteries.
In fact a LI battery has about 10% the energy content of gasoline pound for pound. That means if I towed the trailer I have with an electric truck I would get about 40 miles down the road before I would need to "fill up" again.
Or to look at it another way I would have a 3.5 gallon tank in my Duramax. Nice hu? LOL :B
This is why lying Elon if FOS when he talks about the range of his cyber junk with a 125KW/hr battery.
Even a little tiny car made of all aluminum, with every aero trick in the book it can only go a little over 300 miles with a 100 KW/hr battery. And lying Elon said his jacked up junk made out of plate stainless like a armored truck with wide tires can go that and then some. He's full of bovine excrement.
Ford said they will bring it to lying Elon. But Ford will have apples to apples and not a 4x vs 2x like lying Elon did.
Good luck Elon. LOL BTW better get that FSD car done like you said would be finished by the end of this year! :B
I'm waiting for a longer kilometric answer for this simple burn!:C:B
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
OK so why is your truck so much slower?time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Then why is your truck so much slower?
Let me try to explain to the fan bois.... my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
How do you know it is? Until it is certified at the track nothing is true. Nothing.
But lets say the spec's on the cyber junk are all true and the cyber junk goes 0 to 60 in 2 seconds or whatever. The reason the cyber junk would beat my truck is because HP and not torque. HP determines how "fast" AND "quick" a vehicle is.
Must we really go over this AGAIN? Torque is not power. I can have 1000 ft/lbs of torque at 1000 RPM and have less than 200 HP.
It takes a lot of HP to go fast and quick and you know what that takes? Yep, a lot of energy.
My car uses about 1.2 gallons of gasoline to drive a little less than a mile. A gallon of gasoline has a LOT of energy in it unlike LI batteries.
In fact a LI battery has about 10% the energy content of gasoline pound for pound. That means if I towed the trailer I have with an electric truck I would get about 40 miles down the road before I would need to "fill up" again.
Or to look at it another way I would have a 3.5 gallon tank in my Duramax. Nice hu? LOL :B
This is why lying Elon if FOS when he talks about the range of his cyber junk with a 125KW/hr battery.
Even a little tiny car made of all aluminum, with every aero trick in the book it can only go a little over 300 miles with a 100 KW/hr battery. And lying Elon said his jacked up junk made out of plate stainless like a armored truck with wide tires can go that and then some. He's full of bovine excrement.
Ford said they will bring it to lying Elon. But Ford will have apples to apples and not a 4x vs 2x like lying Elon did.
Good luck Elon. LOL BTW better get that FSD car done like you said would be finished by the end of this year! :B
I'm waiting for a longer kilometric answer for this simple burn!:C:Btime2roll wrote:
mich800 wrote:
Yes the Cybertruck has a bit of a matte finish to the bare metal.
Are you guys still talking about the truck? Aside of the one prototype where are all these paint variations and wraps?
Just commenting that seems a bit more popular lately and curious if it can be several different shades of grey.
Looks like it will come out as bare metal, most likely with some matting to remove too much shine of shine from bare stainless steel.
Says it will come out without paint. Not sure yet if vinyl wrap will be customized in the factory but definitely there will be services after market, already is.
I got auxiliary led light bar on the roof. Cybertruck will have one built in recessed on top of the windshield.Turtle n Peeps wrote:
OK so why is your truck so much slower?time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Then why is your truck so much slower?
Let me try to explain to the fan bois.... my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
How do you know it is? Until it is certified at the track nothing is true. Nothing.
But lets say the spec's on the cyber junk are all true and the cyber junk goes 0 to 60 in 2 seconds or whatever. The reason the cyber junk would beat my truck is because HP and not torque. HP determines how "fast" AND "quick" a vehicle is.
Must we really go over this AGAIN? Torque is not power. I can have 1000 ft/lbs of torque at 1000 RPM and have less than 200 HP.
It takes a lot of HP to go fast and quick and you know what that takes? Yep, a lot of energy.
My car uses about 1.2 gallons of gasoline to drive a little less than a mile. A gallon of gasoline has a LOT of energy in it unlike LI batteries.
In fact a LI battery has about 10% the energy content of gasoline pound for pound. That means if I towed the trailer I have with an electric truck I would get about 40 miles down the road before I would need to "fill up" again.
Or to look at it another way I would have a 3.5 gallon tank in my Duramax. Nice hu? LOL :B
This is why lying Elon if FOS when he talks about the range of his cyber junk with a 125KW/hr battery.
Even a little tiny car made of all aluminum, with every aero trick in the book it can only go a little over 300 miles with a 100 KW/hr battery. And lying Elon said his jacked up junk made out of plate stainless like a armored truck with wide tires can go that and then some. He's full of bovine excrement.
Ford said they will bring it to lying Elon. But Ford will have apples to apples and not a 4x vs 2x like lying Elon did.
Good luck Elon. LOL BTW better get that FSD car done like you said would be finished by the end of this year! :BTurtle n Peeps wrote:
Let me try to explain to the fan bois why an old truck like I own puts out many, many times more torque that the Cyber junk.
The truck I own puts out 650 ft/lbs at the crankshaft. That torque is fed to an Allison tranny with a 1st gear of 3.10 to 1 gear ratio.
Now that 650 ft/lbs of torque that is feed into the tranny comes out as 2,015 ft/lbs of torque.
But we are not done yet. Now fan bois, we need to feed that 2,015 ft/lbs of torque into the 3.75 rear end.
So, 2,015 ft/lbs go into the rear end and the tires see slightly over 7,500 ft/lbs of torque.
It has been reported that the Cyber junk will have 1,000 ft/lbs of torque. If true, my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
I'm not well educated, but I think you over looked something in your math; You say your engine puts out 650 ft/lbs. But you do not account for what RPM it puts out that amount. Divide that RPM, by the 3.75 for rearend, then that by the 3.1 of the transmission, how fast is the wheel spinning to get that 7500 foot lbs of torque?
Now a electric motor puts out max torque as soon as it starts to turn. So in a silly "tug of war" the only engine torque the E must overcome is the torque at idle thru trans/rear.time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Then why is your truck so much slower?
Let me try to explain to the fan bois.... my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
How do you know it is? Until it is certified at the track nothing is true. Nothing.
But lets say the spec's on the cyber junk are all true and the cyber junk goes 0 to 60 in 2 seconds or whatever. The reason the cyber junk would beat my truck is because HP and not torque. HP determines how "fast" AND "quick" a vehicle is.
Must we really go over this AGAIN? Torque is not power. I can have 1000 ft/lbs of torque at 1000 RPM and have less than 200 HP.
It takes a lot of HP to go fast and quick and you know what that takes? Yep, a lot of energy.
My car uses about 1.2 gallons of gasoline to drive a little less than a mile. A gallon of gasoline has a LOT of energy in it unlike LI batteries.
In fact a LI battery has about 10% the energy content of gasoline pound for pound. That means if I towed the trailer I have with an electric truck I would get about 40 miles down the road before I would need to "fill up" again.
Or to look at it another way I would have a 3.5 gallon tank in my Duramax. Nice hu? LOL :B
This is why lying Elon if FOS when he talks about the range of his cyber junk with a 125KW/hr battery.
Even a little tiny car made of all aluminum, with every aero trick in the book it can only go a little over 300 miles with a 100 KW/hr battery. And lying Elon said his jacked up junk made out of plate stainless like a armored truck with wide tires can go that and then some. He's full of bovine excrement.
Ford said they will bring it to lying Elon. But Ford will have apples to apples and not a 4x vs 2x like lying Elon did.
Good luck Elon. LOL BTW better get that FSD car done like you said would be finished by the end of this year! :Bfree radical wrote:
Then you should have no problem proving your truck can beat Tesla easy
Go prove it
:P
https://electrek.co/2019/11/29/tesla-cybertruck-becomes-underdog-ford-f150-tug-of-war-challenge/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzKCJsou10wTurtle n Peeps wrote:
Then why is your truck so much slower?
Let me try to explain to the fan bois.... my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.mich800 wrote:
Yes the Cybertruck has a bit of a matte finish to the bare metal.
Are you guys still talking about the truck? Aside of the one prototype where are all these paint variations and wraps?
Just commenting that seems a bit more popular lately and curious if it can be several different shades of grey.free radical wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Let me try to explain to the fan bois why an old truck like I own puts out many, many times more torque that the Cyber junk.
The truck I own puts out 650 ft/lbs at the crankshaft. That torque is fed to an Allison tranny with a 1st gear of 3.10 to 1 gear ratio.
Now that 650 ft/lbs of torque that is feed into the tranny comes out as 2,015 ft/lbs of torque.
But we are not done yet. Now fan bois, we need to feed that 2,015 ft/lbs of torque into the 3.75 rear end.
So, 2,015 ft/lbs go into the rear end and the tires see slightly over 7,500 ft/lbs of torque.
It has been reported that the Cyber junk will have 1,000 ft/lbs of torque. If true, my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
Then you should have no problem proving your truck can beat Tesla easy
Go prove it
:P
https://electrek.co/2019/11/29/tesla-cybertruck-becomes-underdog-ford-f150-tug-of-war-challenge/
I personally like how the fans were so wide eyed and blinded by the glow of Elon they didn't even realize the F150 was a 4x2. In a test where traction is the most important there were a lot of gullibles hooked that day. Luckily it was all catch and release so they could put in those $100 reservations to be filled TBD. :B
