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fj12ryder wrote:
free radical wrote:
So you're saying the same engineers who design rockets are designing the Teslas pickup? I would think: "Not likely", after all designing cars isn't rocket science. HAR!fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid.fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don’t see a “real pickup” as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a “real pickup” being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.
My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
Also
Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any load
That's a step-down in technology really.
Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range.Reisender wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
free radical wrote:
So you're saying the same engineers who design rockets are designing the Teslas pickup? I would think: "Not likely", after all designing cars isn't rocket science. HAR!fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid.fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don’t see a “real pickup” as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a “real pickup” being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.
My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
Also
Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any load
Yah. Completely different company.
Actually they have inter-company cross-support. My son when he worked for Tesla would have Space X and Solar City sitting with them in the meetings.
Tesla and Solar City would even have package for home charging with roof panels. This technology complementation will good for us in case we live and love the boondocks and planning to be totally off grid.8.1 Van wrote:
I don't believe I ever said anything like that in this thread. Or if I did could you point it out.fj12ryder wrote:
So you're saying the same engineers who design rockets are designing the Teslas pickup? I would think: "Not likely", after all designing cars isn't rocket science. HAR!
Did you say that NASA images and videos from satellites are fake ?fj12ryder wrote:
free radical wrote:
So you're saying the same engineers who design rockets are designing the Teslas pickup? I would think: "Not likely", after all designing cars isn't rocket science. HAR!fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid.fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don’t see a “real pickup” as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a “real pickup” being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.
My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
Also
Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any load
Did you say that NASA images and videos from satellites are fake ?- The talk about the Ridgeline got my curiosity up. Wikipedia has a great article on it. The new one still has a bed trunk and a 2 way tailgate like the old Ford wagons. They actually engineered the C pillar in the new one to allow it not to need the sail panel while still using unibody construction. There’s some interesting diagrams of the frame portion of the unibody.
The Cybertruck shown at the reveal really was a concept vehicle. The designer said it was using five lug Model X suspension even though the hubcaps showed six. Plus it did not have the sub structure of the production model.
They have some interesting challenges engineering wise as from my experience with aircraft I’ve seen firsthand that stainless does not play well with a lot of other materials from a galvanic corrosion side. Plus the idea that they’re going to score and fold the skin then stress it could cause cracking issues over time. We’ll see in a few years. fj12ryder wrote:
free radical wrote:
So you're saying the same engineers who design rockets are designing the Teslas pickup? I would think: "Not likely", after all designing cars isn't rocket science. HAR!fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid.fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don’t see a “real pickup” as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a “real pickup” being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.
My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
Also
Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any load
Yah. Completely different company.free radical wrote:
So you're saying the same engineers who design rockets are designing the Teslas pickup? I would think: "Not likely", after all designing cars isn't rocket science. HAR!fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid.fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don’t see a “real pickup” as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a “real pickup” being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.
My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
Also
Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any loadJRscooby wrote:
Oops, not my statement, I may have quoted that, but it was written by someone else.fj12ryder wrote:
Seriously, have you seen the specs and capabilities of Cybertruck compared side-by-side with El Camino?
Are we comparing a vehicle that has been out of production for a long time to one that has never been in production?
But a good point made.fj12ryder wrote:
Seriously, have you seen the specs and capabilities of Cybertruck compared side-by-side with El Camino?
Are we comparing a vehicle that has been out of production for a long time to one that has never been in production?free radical wrote:
My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
I think we should call "trump" on that. Even MT there is flex in the frame that will let the cab/bed gap change. I have not looked under one for a long time, but I bet if you do you will see the engine/transmission is mounted at 3 points, not 4. This is so the parts that must be rigid can move in relation to frame, let the frame flex. This also is why body on frame can haul a higher percentage of MT weight than unibody. The change to stainless might change that.- I wonder if Cybertruck will hold up better than the Raptor when taking jumps ;)
