Tesla Cybertruck

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Wow, I almost asked Elon to refund my hard-earned $100 for the Cybertruck with all the ghosts found under the hood of this truck.

Until wait, problem with 30 to 50% power drain on Cybertruck. My ICE is worst at more than 50% reduced mpg when towing.

I can only go 200 miles in full charge when towing. Wait, that my regular stops for gas up and lunch on my camping trips.

I'll have problems with off roading? How, it will have a ton more torque and ground clearance?

The bullet proof glass shattered? Who cares, I'm not going to Texas anyways.

The looks, oh yeah, it still have not grown into me yet. Anyone, wants to buy for $5,000 my high-priority place in order-reservation queue?

The difference is that with IC, you can fuel anywhere and it takes very little time to do so. There are infrastructure issues to be worked out before EVs can really take over the RV market, as well as thermal and power delivery issues for charging EVs faster.

If you want range, get a diesel with an aux tank. I can tow around 900 miles on a full tank and tend to tow 400 miles in a day, without stopping, possibly pulling over at a rest stop along the highway to jump in the trailer and use the restroom once. Everyone's travel style is different. What works for you probably doesn't work for a lot of other people here, who would quickly experience the Tesla's limitations given current infrastructure.

That being said, if I weren't full timing with a single vehicle and were living in a city somewhere, I'd probably trade my truck for a Tesla of some sort.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I was going to try to explain to the fan bois why the Tesla out pulled the Ford but this guy does a much better job of doing that then I could have.

BTW, torque and power are NOT the same fan bois.

Better hurry up with that FSD car Tusk. You have less than 30 days dude! :B

Don't be shy, all the boys in the class have their pants down and participating in "mine-is-bigger-than-yours" contest.

Wow, I almost asked Elon to refund my hard-earned $100 for the Cybertruck with all the ghosts found under the hood of this truck.

Until wait, problem with 30 to 50% power drain on Cybertruck. My ICE is worst at more than 50% reduced mpg when towing.

I can only go 200 miles in full charge when towing. Wait, that my regular stops for gas up and lunch on my camping trips.

I'll have problems with off roading? How, it will have a ton more torque and ground clearance?

The bullet proof glass shattered? Who cares, I'm not going to Texas anyways.

The looks, oh yeah, it still have not grown into me yet. Anyone, wants to buy for $5,000 my high-priority place in order-reservation queue?

I was going to try to explain to the fan bois why the Tesla out pulled the Ford but this guy does a much better job of doing that then I could have.

BTW, torque and power are NOT the same fan bois.

Better hurry up with that FSD car Tusk. You have less than 30 days dude! :B

^^ This is an issue that many EV proponents refuse to acknowledge. They assume that EVs will experience the same 30-50% reduction in range as an ICE powered vehicle. I have a theory on why this is not accurate. I'm not an engineer, but here's my theory. EVs are much more effcient than ICE vehicles. They move a vehicle with a lot less wasted heat (energy) than a comparable ICE vehicle. However, a trailer takes the same amount of extra energy to move it down the road, regardless of what it's hitched to.

So, say that an unladen ICE powered pickup takes 100 units of energy to move it from point A to point B. A much more efficient EV takes only 50 units of energy to move it from A to B. Add a high profile trailer, and say that takes an additional 100 units of energy to move from A to B. The ICE pickup now takes a total of 200 units to go from A to B, a doubling of energy required or a halving of range. The EV now takes 150 units of energy, still more efficient overall, but instead of a 400 mile range it's range towing is just 133 miles since it's energy requirement has tripled over an unladen vehicle.

TFL's real world testing has shown this, and even towing a lightweight, low profile trailer cut the Tesla Model X's range in half.

Posted this on the semi thread and think also applies here

BenK wrote:
Not ready for prime time towing....

Semi will have exactly the same problem

https://youtu.be/-cvNfmL7XQg

Plus, indicative Tusk doesn't understand off roading. Even on fire access roads. The Model X is a pavement vehicle IMHO

Electric Motors, especially series field DC, can have over 300% rated torque (for a short period) if they also have a good controller


Agree with Durb, pure marketing to his fan base...wonder how many know what a dead blow hammer/sledge is...besides...think his fan base will have few actually use this as a truck...

free radical wrote:
Some more food for thought
The tug o war between Tesla and Ford 150 was not fair I admit.

Not only Tesla weights more it also has way MORE power aka Torque.

How much is unknown, however Ive seen EvWest vids with their race car BMW
Which uses Tesla drivetrain and baterys and it puts 4000 lbs of torque to the wheels,yes 4 THOUSAND

Id think Tesla truck has at least that maybe more,so even with bigest 4x4 and diesel Ford or anyone else has no chance to outpull Tesla

Will see
https://electrek.co/2019/11/29/tesla-cybertruck-becomes-underdog-ford-f150-tug-of-war-challenge/

Tug of wars between trucks are just silly publicity stunts that prove nothing, although they could have at least put the Ford in 4WD. My AWD VW Golf wagon could beat an empty 2WD pickup in a tug of war as long as nothing broke. Put 2000 lbs in the bed of the pickup and the result is different even though HP and torque are the same. The winner is the truck with the most traction, as long as it has enough power to use it.

free radical wrote:
Some more food for thought
The tug o war between Tesla and Ford 150 was not fair I admit.

Not only Tesla weights more it also has way MORE power aka Torque.

How much is unknown, however Ive seen EvWest vids with their race car BMW
Which uses Tesla drivetrain and baterys and it puts 4000 lbs of torque to the wheels,yes 4 THOUSAND

Id think Tesla truck has at least that maybe more,so even with bigest 4x4 and diesel Ford or anyone else has no chance to outpull Tesla

Will see
https://electrek.co/2019/11/29/tesla-cybertruck-becomes-underdog-ford-f150-tug-of-war-challenge/

Torque is multiplied through a conventional drivetrain - so where you might have two electric motors each supplying 4,000lbs of torque directly to the wheels (for 8,000lbs total), quick calculations show that a HO Ram peaks at a little over twice that (17,317lbs with 3.73s) in first gear. Of course, as you shift through gears that amount is reduced, and IC engines do not always produce peak torque - but in a test like we're talking here, a modern diesel would easily beat your example Tesla given equal traction.

https://x-engineer.org/automotive-engineering/chassis/longitudinal-dynamics/calculate-wheel-torque-engine/

Durb wrote:
A couple of points on the 12# sledge hammer to showcase the non-denting panels. It is really a 11.5# dead blow sledge which is the weight of the entire hammer. It has a solid steel shaft the full length of the handle which contributes to probably half its weight. Inside the head is a metal canister with steel shot which weighs what the canister and urethane head combined weigh. Say the total sledge head weight is 6 lbs., there would be 3 lbs of shot.

When the hammer is deployed, there would be 3 pounds of strike force initially spread out over a large area and cushioned with soft urethane. The shot arrives milliseconds later to dampen the rebound (dead blow). These hammers are designed to deliver a sustained pushing force to position equipment. They will never deliver the impact of a 12# steel sledge with a wooden handle. I use them for woodworking all the time as they don't dent the wood.

Deceptive? You decide.

No idea. How would a standard door panel stand up to that kind of a hit?