IdaD wrote:
blt2ski wrote:
In mkirsh's and others example re 25 vs SW35 series. Reality is the 25 need to be lightened up literally gvwr wise! Make it a true beefed up 6 or 8 lug 15 series. Back to more online with the first one I bought in 81, most recent 2000, 6000-6800 grawr, front 4000-5000. The ability to get the smaller motors like the eco boost, smaller diesels that GM and Dodge have. Make it so the 25 does not compete per say with a SW35.
For me and my use, not towing much over 10-12k lbs, 3000-4000 lbs of payload. A truck in this axle wieght class will do that fine. I don't need or want the heavier frame etc that the current 25/35 series trucks wieght in at. I ran into a person at a fuel station. His crew cab short back d/a wieghed a 1000 lbs MORE than my 05 DW crew cab did!
Don't get me wrong, I've always felt the DW 35's were under speed when I was first buying trucks in the 80's .nothing between a 10k gvw and a 20k.
Now there is basically nothing between a 7500 and 11000 gvw truck. Maybe that truck is useless. But I'd bet there are lots of us in or have been in contraction, towing per DOT rules etc, that a beefed up version with the smaller motors better mpg empty etc would be better than the 15's we're driving. Grit and a few others probably fit this truck size as I do.
Marty
You're describing the Titan XD. It sold like a turd in a candy shop.
I think the reality is the mpg ends not being that much or in the Nissan case no better than the HD diesels. The costs to build don't reflect a huge savings to the customer on the lighter versions. GM has tried the "heavy half ton" concept numerous times and they eventually end up dropping it every time. At the end of the day, I think most would end up buying an HD truck verse a near HD truck. When all the numbers are close, most would pick a more capable truck.
Nissan really laid a turd on their project. Change up somethings, like drop the Cummins, fix the looks and maybe they could have made a better run on that concept. As it was, it was an embarrassing failure for Nissan and Cummins.
