bigcitypopo wrote:There was a gentleman on the Forum that fashioned his supports using two pieces of board. I'll try to describe it: Each piece had a cutout in the center the same dimension as the thickness of the board (in his design this was 1 1/2"). The cutout length was half of the height of both pieces. He slid both cutout notches together to form a "+" that stood upright underneath his jacks. Since the two pieces could be slid apart when not in use, they stacked flat in storage.
so being that my lippert jacks are electric and all. I noticed that there is sig info ant distance to travel to get them to the ground. using this plastic blocks I notice more wobble. when they are on the ground they are significantly firmer.
I have two of those old school jacks. I'll throw them in my rig and report back. it'd be nice to have something that I didn't have to stow in valuable compartment space
ls1mike wrote:
Wow! That got out of hand real fast. I use them mostly because of the time I spent in the submarine Navy. It gives you mild OCD...You always like a little extra to be safe. Thanks Submarines!
westend wrote:
I don't have anything to comment on proper jack placement but would it be possible that you guys that use different color text within a quote change back to the more traditional method of leaving your replies outside of the quote box?
I have a hard time following who and when different quotes are added in the discussion.
LarryJM wrote:I had already addressed the extra jacks by the axles. You brought up the throwing away of the scissors jacks and going back to the stone ages of TT stabilization...As for your links etc.... You don't know what you don't know. And I am not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you.Huntindog wrote:LarryJM wrote:Huntindog wrote:Most of the time the jacks won't settle evenly due to variations of the ground. Add a little rain and the problem gets even worse. Doing as you recommend will often result in a racked frame and sticking doors.LarryJM wrote:There is no doubt that this style of jack is the absolute best at stabilization, akin to setting the TT on cinder blocks.ls1mike wrote:
I have a 32 foot Passport. I bet our frames our similar, both Keystone.
I just got a set of these.
I put 2 before the tires and two after the tires half way back. Then I also have two larger ones that I put on both side up front just aft of the front jacks. With the kids running around it keeps it nice and steady and it takes an extra 5 mins at set up and break down. I don't use them to level, just to stabilize.
WOW you are one of the few IMO that have seen the light and found the secret in stabilizing longer trailers and something I have been using for over 30 years. I do exactly what you do except my placement is like 6' in front and back of each axle and long ago I took off those useless stab jacks and took them to the dump. These with the tongue jack make my 32' TT ROCK STEADY, NO BOUNCE, NO MOVEMENT, NO JIGGLE. Now one caveat is that we have a rear bedroom and it's just the two of us so if I go back in the back of the bedroom and jump up and down I can get some movement, but that is not an issue for us. However, for families with a living area back in the rear two addition jack stands might be require at the end of the trailer to stabilize that section of the trailer.
Doing what you and I have found out is exactly why folks that simple add a third set of jacks close to the wheels improve their stability to a large degree.
I use my tongue jack to get sufficient pressure on my jack stands by lowering the tongue about 1" nose down then put in the rear jack stands and snug up. I then raise the nose to about 1" nose up, do the same for the front jack stands and then lower the tongue to relieve all pressure then snug up the tongue jack. I even used my sherline tongue scale to measure the "force" on each jack stand and it was in the neighborhood of 400 to 600 lbs.
I side benefit of getting rid of the factory stab jacks is that I saved around 50lbs and now have no maintenance or need to carry things like cordless drills to use with the stab jacks and the aluminum jack stands I have I have had since 1981 and they are on their second trailer and will last another 100yrs and are basically maintenance free and weigh less than 5lbs for all four.
Two big issues with the normal stab jacks you see from the factory is that they are mounted at the wrong places, but are generally there because obstructions prevent proper placement. Also, they have many pivot and for lack of a better word "slop" joints which allow movement in one or even two planes. These two issue prevent proper stabilization of longer trailers especially. However, it seems the public in general are enamored with them and look for "BANDAIDS" instead of "SOLUTIONS/FIXES" to the stabilizing problem.
Larry
There are of course some downsides to them.
Many of us don't relish getting down on our hands and knees anymore. Live long enough, and you will probably become one of us. And for those that boondock off of paved surfaces, the jacks will usually require readjusting every day or two... More crawling around on the knees.
NICE TRY, but being a certified card carrying "SENIOR CITIZEN" with the attendent bad knees I have learned long ago how to work with my limitations. No more down on the Knees and a simple step stool takes care of that and a lot of folks have to get down and put blocks of wood, etc. under the stab jacks to start with. Thus I sit to put the stands under the trailer and snug them up and don't have to "BEND" over screwing up the normal stab jacks.Umm. I used those jacks on my first TT a long time ago.. I was a lot younger then. There is NO WAY sitting on a step stool will allow a normally built person to position those jacks.
With the standard type jacks, it can be snugged up easily while standing on ones feet.
Mine is a one step process all while sitting down and I even carry one of the special step stools that are a lot higher than the normal ones so getting up is a lot easier on the knees. Even with my factory stab jacks there was no way to extend them without bending down to get the crank one and you couldn't crank them up w/o bending over.
And finally, the standard type jacks are giving way on newer TTs to the self pressure equalizing power jacks like the Lipperts.
I have them now, and they are a signifignant step up in stabilization from the standard jacks. And when the ground settles, snugging them back up is just a push of a button.
The jackstands can be reset w/o messing with the rear ones by simply cranking up the tongue jack some more to get the tension and then it does require you to spend those HOURS getting out the trusty ole stepstool and snugging up the fronts ... DONE DEAL in about 5min max.
To avoid this will require starting over from the beginning.
One can always find what appears "FAULTS" with anything, but the key is to separate those that are really issues with those that just need that extra finesse to make them doeable. Your drawbacks IMO are just one that is very simple to overcome.I don't have any drawbacks to overcome. I simply push a button while standing erect.MY Lippert equal pressure jacks do the rest. Quick, easy, and impossible to rack the frame.
For those interested below is the type of step stool I carry and sit inside the door so at rest stops we can get in and out of the trailer w/o having to "BEND DOWN" and mess with the steps. It also is handy for doing the sewer hook up and dumping. Just that several extra inches in height makes this model a boon for us "REAL SENIOR CITIZENS" :B
STEP ON STOOL
Which is available at Lowe's
Larry
Well my $30 jacks don't have the potential problems with what you have like discussed HERE, HERE, and HERE. Also they don't appear to work that well according to THIS. Just like you might find fault with my much simplier $30 solution your $1,000 system is not the end all to be all it seems and call me cautious, but putting all those moving parts and electric motors under a trailer in that harsh environment just seems like it's asking for trouble in the long run.
As far as you not being able to reach the frame sitting on a step stool, you much have 12" arms since the frame on my trailer is only 18" inside the outside wall and is easily reachable when sitting on a stool.
I'll leave all the racking the frame and other issues you think exist alone since IMO they are just red herrings and really not worth discussing, but if your parking on ground that soft you probably have bigger issues pulling the trailer out of that soft of ground.
Oh well each to their own and you like your system, and I like mine and have given my reasons for mine and issues as I see what you are advocating so I guess it's up to the individual reader to see what works, but I think for the paltry $30 or so giving my way which I feel is a no brainer a lot less riskier than your much more expensive solution and looks like those elect. stab jacks and not light by any means if that matters to anyone.
Finally in any event your elec. stab jacks still don't address the topic of this thread and that is needing another pair of jacks closer to the wheels to reduce the movement of the trailer which mine with the potential exception I have already noted IMO does so really discussing the pros and cons of elec. stab jacks in general is sort of not germane to the actual topic here unless you are advocating buy and third elect stab jack system and mounting that near the wheels.
Larry
Huntindog wrote:LarryJM wrote:Huntindog wrote:Most of the time the jacks won't settle evenly due to variations of the ground. Add a little rain and the problem gets even worse. Doing as you recommend will often result in a racked frame and sticking doors.LarryJM wrote:There is no doubt that this style of jack is the absolute best at stabilization, akin to setting the TT on cinder blocks.ls1mike wrote:
I have a 32 foot Passport. I bet our frames our similar, both Keystone.
I just got a set of these.
I put 2 before the tires and two after the tires half way back. Then I also have two larger ones that I put on both side up front just aft of the front jacks. With the kids running around it keeps it nice and steady and it takes an extra 5 mins at set up and break down. I don't use them to level, just to stabilize.
WOW you are one of the few IMO that have seen the light and found the secret in stabilizing longer trailers and something I have been using for over 30 years. I do exactly what you do except my placement is like 6' in front and back of each axle and long ago I took off those useless stab jacks and took them to the dump. These with the tongue jack make my 32' TT ROCK STEADY, NO BOUNCE, NO MOVEMENT, NO JIGGLE. Now one caveat is that we have a rear bedroom and it's just the two of us so if I go back in the back of the bedroom and jump up and down I can get some movement, but that is not an issue for us. However, for families with a living area back in the rear two addition jack stands might be require at the end of the trailer to stabilize that section of the trailer.
Doing what you and I have found out is exactly why folks that simple add a third set of jacks close to the wheels improve their stability to a large degree.
I use my tongue jack to get sufficient pressure on my jack stands by lowering the tongue about 1" nose down then put in the rear jack stands and snug up. I then raise the nose to about 1" nose up, do the same for the front jack stands and then lower the tongue to relieve all pressure then snug up the tongue jack. I even used my sherline tongue scale to measure the "force" on each jack stand and it was in the neighborhood of 400 to 600 lbs.
I side benefit of getting rid of the factory stab jacks is that I saved around 50lbs and now have no maintenance or need to carry things like cordless drills to use with the stab jacks and the aluminum jack stands I have I have had since 1981 and they are on their second trailer and will last another 100yrs and are basically maintenance free and weigh less than 5lbs for all four.
Two big issues with the normal stab jacks you see from the factory is that they are mounted at the wrong places, but are generally there because obstructions prevent proper placement. Also, they have many pivot and for lack of a better word "slop" joints which allow movement in one or even two planes. These two issue prevent proper stabilization of longer trailers especially. However, it seems the public in general are enamored with them and look for "BANDAIDS" instead of "SOLUTIONS/FIXES" to the stabilizing problem.
Larry
There are of course some downsides to them.
Many of us don't relish getting down on our hands and knees anymore. Live long enough, and you will probably become one of us. And for those that boondock off of paved surfaces, the jacks will usually require readjusting every day or two... More crawling around on the knees.
NICE TRY, but being a certified card carrying "SENIOR CITIZEN" with the attendent bad knees I have learned long ago how to work with my limitations. No more down on the Knees and a simple step stool takes care of that and a lot of folks have to get down and put blocks of wood, etc. under the stab jacks to start with. Thus I sit to put the stands under the trailer and snug them up and don't have to "BEND" over screwing up the normal stab jacks.Umm. I used those jacks on my first TT a long time ago.. I was a lot younger then. There is NO WAY sitting on a step stool will allow a normally built person to position those jacks.
With the standard type jacks, it can be snugged up easily while standing on ones feet.
Mine is a one step process all while sitting down and I even carry one of the special step stools that are a lot higher than the normal ones so getting up is a lot easier on the knees. Even with my factory stab jacks there was no way to extend them without bending down to get the crank one and you couldn't crank them up w/o bending over.
And finally, the standard type jacks are giving way on newer TTs to the self pressure equalizing power jacks like the Lipperts.
I have them now, and they are a signifignant step up in stabilization from the standard jacks. And when the ground settles, snugging them back up is just a push of a button.
The jackstands can be reset w/o messing with the rear ones by simply cranking up the tongue jack some more to get the tension and then it does require you to spend those HOURS getting out the trusty ole stepstool and snugging up the fronts ... DONE DEAL in about 5min max.
To avoid this will require starting over from the beginning.
One can always find what appears "FAULTS" with anything, but the key is to separate those that are really issues with those that just need that extra finesse to make them doeable. Your drawbacks IMO are just one that is very simple to overcome.I don't have any drawbacks to overcome. I simply push a button while standing erect.MY Lippert equal pressure jacks do the rest. Quick, easy, and impossible to rack the frame.
For those interested below is the type of step stool I carry and sit inside the door so at rest stops we can get in and out of the trailer w/o having to "BEND DOWN" and mess with the steps. It also is handy for doing the sewer hook up and dumping. Just that several extra inches in height makes this model a boon for us "REAL SENIOR CITIZENS" :B
STEP ON STOOL
Which is available at Lowe's
Larry
LarryJM wrote:Huntindog wrote:Most of the time the jacks won't settle evenly due to variations of the ground. Add a little rain and the problem gets even worse. Doing as you recommend will often result in a racked frame and sticking doors.LarryJM wrote:There is no doubt that this style of jack is the absolute best at stabilization, akin to setting the TT on cinder blocks.ls1mike wrote:
I have a 32 foot Passport. I bet our frames our similar, both Keystone.
I just got a set of these.
I put 2 before the tires and two after the tires half way back. Then I also have two larger ones that I put on both side up front just aft of the front jacks. With the kids running around it keeps it nice and steady and it takes an extra 5 mins at set up and break down. I don't use them to level, just to stabilize.
WOW you are one of the few IMO that have seen the light and found the secret in stabilizing longer trailers and something I have been using for over 30 years. I do exactly what you do except my placement is like 6' in front and back of each axle and long ago I took off those useless stab jacks and took them to the dump. These with the tongue jack make my 32' TT ROCK STEADY, NO BOUNCE, NO MOVEMENT, NO JIGGLE. Now one caveat is that we have a rear bedroom and it's just the two of us so if I go back in the back of the bedroom and jump up and down I can get some movement, but that is not an issue for us. However, for families with a living area back in the rear two addition jack stands might be require at the end of the trailer to stabilize that section of the trailer.
Doing what you and I have found out is exactly why folks that simple add a third set of jacks close to the wheels improve their stability to a large degree.
I use my tongue jack to get sufficient pressure on my jack stands by lowering the tongue about 1" nose down then put in the rear jack stands and snug up. I then raise the nose to about 1" nose up, do the same for the front jack stands and then lower the tongue to relieve all pressure then snug up the tongue jack. I even used my sherline tongue scale to measure the "force" on each jack stand and it was in the neighborhood of 400 to 600 lbs.
I side benefit of getting rid of the factory stab jacks is that I saved around 50lbs and now have no maintenance or need to carry things like cordless drills to use with the stab jacks and the aluminum jack stands I have I have had since 1981 and they are on their second trailer and will last another 100yrs and are basically maintenance free and weigh less than 5lbs for all four.
Two big issues with the normal stab jacks you see from the factory is that they are mounted at the wrong places, but are generally there because obstructions prevent proper placement. Also, they have many pivot and for lack of a better word "slop" joints which allow movement in one or even two planes. These two issue prevent proper stabilization of longer trailers especially. However, it seems the public in general are enamored with them and look for "BANDAIDS" instead of "SOLUTIONS/FIXES" to the stabilizing problem.
Larry
There are of course some downsides to them.
Many of us don't relish getting down on our hands and knees anymore. Live long enough, and you will probably become one of us. And for those that boondock off of paved surfaces, the jacks will usually require readjusting every day or two... More crawling around on the knees.
NICE TRY, but being a certified card carrying "SENIOR CITIZEN" with the attendent bad knees I have learned long ago how to work with my limitations. No more down on the Knees and a simple step stool takes care of that and a lot of folks have to get down and put blocks of wood, etc. under the stab jacks to start with. Thus I sit to put the stands under the trailer and snug them up and don't have to "BEND" over screwing up the normal stab jacks.Umm. I used those jacks on my first TT a long time ago.. I was a lot younger then. There is NO WAY sitting on a step stool will allow a normally built person to position those jacks.
With the standard type jacks, it can be snugged up easily while standing on ones feet.
Mine is a one step process all while sitting down and I even carry one of the special step stools that are a lot higher than the normal ones so getting up is a lot easier on the knees. Even with my factory stab jacks there was no way to extend them without bending down to get the crank one and you couldn't crank them up w/o bending over.
And finally, the standard type jacks are giving way on newer TTs to the self pressure equalizing power jacks like the Lipperts.
I have them now, and they are a signifignant step up in stabilization from the standard jacks. And when the ground settles, snugging them back up is just a push of a button.
The jackstands can be reset w/o messing with the rear ones by simply cranking up the tongue jack some more to get the tension and then it does require you to spend those HOURS getting out the trusty ole stepstool and snugging up the fronts ... DONE DEAL in about 5min max.
To avoid this will require starting over from the beginning.
One can always find what appears "FAULTS" with anything, but the key is to separate those that are really issues with those that just need that extra finesse to make them doeable. Your drawbacks IMO are just one that is very simple to overcome.I don't have any drawbacks to overcome. I simply push a button while standing erect.MY Lippert equal pressure jacks do the rest. Quick, easy, and impossible to rack the frame.
For those interested below is the type of step stool I carry and sit inside the door so at rest stops we can get in and out of the trailer w/o having to "BEND DOWN" and mess with the steps. It also is handy for doing the sewer hook up and dumping. Just that several extra inches in height makes this model a boon for us "REAL SENIOR CITIZENS" :B
STEP ON STOOL
Which is available at Lowe's
Larry
