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- fla-gypsyExplorerI don't trust CR because they have been proven to be dishonest. I don't use Chinese tires because of my own experience with them. I will continue to use ST tires that are properly constructed and have a proven track record.
- JIMNLINExplorer III
fly-boy wrote:
https://autos.yahoo.com/news/consumer-reports-finds-chinese-tire-brands-no-bargain-130000473.html
It goes without saying that the Chinese trailer tires are not any better! :)
I'm with many folks when it come to CR credibility especially in the automotive area.
I've used a Korean and a china made P225/60-16 tire on the wifes Impala and a LeSabre over the years with good results just like USA brands past and present.
However a ST tire is still a ST tire. They were problematic when they were all made in the good old USA just as they are today. - fly-boyExplorerI tend to agree with everyone about CR- I actually pulled the article off Yahoo. However, I agree with them in this instance.
As for ST tires- regardless of where and how they are constructed - they are a terrible investment unless you are putting them on a trailer that sees very limited use.
On one hand, why have $300.00 tires on a trailer that sits the majority of the time? That's why we keep cheap $100.00 ST tires on the boat trailer. It moves 200 feet from the garage to the river and back at 10 mph hour. On the other hand, running ST tires on a big fifth wheel which sees regular use is just absurd and reckless.
ST tires on a big trailer is certainly as unsafe as pulling that trailer with too small of a vehicle. - Community Alumni
Old-Biscuit wrote:
I try my best to NOT buy anything made in China...tires, dog food, kids toys etc.
List is very long.
Same here.CKNSLS wrote:
OLD Biscuit
You probably don't buy much. This is VERY HARD to do.
It's actually quite easy to avoid Chinese products in lots of cases, it just takes some effort. Effort as in flipping the package over and looking at the country of manufacture. After reading and watching several investigative reports/documentaries over the years about the manufacturing practices of the country and lack of oversight, I started paying attention to the labels. You may have to check several products on the shelf, but there's a good chance there's a few that are not made in China. If I can find my item and it's made in the US or Canada, then that's the one I want. Yeah it might cost a few bucks more, but who cares. You're supporting your country's and ally's economy. Surprisingly, quite a few Canadian products are cheaper than the Chinese versions.
I try to avoid Chinese made items, but there's some items that will almost always come from there because they're the only ones that make it. However, there's some items that I will never buy from China like food meant for human or pet consumption (especially seafood). Now buying American can be difficult at times, but it still can be done. Once again, people just need to make the effort. - fly-boyExplorer
proxim2020 wrote:
Old-Biscuit wrote:
I try my best to NOT buy anything made in China...tires, dog food, kids toys etc.
List is very long.
Same here.CKNSLS wrote:
OLD Biscuit
You probably don't buy much. This is VERY HARD to do.
It's actually quite easy to avoid Chinese products in lots of cases, it just takes some effort. Effort as in flipping the package over and looking at the country of manufacture. After reading and watching several investigative reports/documentaries over the years about the manufacturing practices of the country and lack of oversight, I started paying attention to the labels. You may have to check several products on the shelf, but there's a good chance there's a few that are not made in China. If I can find my item and it's made in the US or Canada, then that's the one I want. Yeah it might cost a few bucks more, but who cares. You're supporting your country's and ally's economy. Surprisingly, quite a few Canadian products are cheaper than the Chinese versions.
I try to avoid Chinese made items, but there's some items that will almost always come from there because they're the only ones that make it. However, there's some items that I will never buy from China like food meant for human or pet consumption (especially seafood). Now buying American can be difficult at times, but it still can be done. Once again, people just need to make the effort.
I don't have any issue buying something from China so long as it is an American company doing the selling- For example- the iPhone.
Thousands of American companies have production off shore in China and other third world countries- And I don't worry at all about quality. I would have no problem buying Michelin, Toyo, BFG... tires made in China because I would know the quality was there. - CKNSLSExplorer
fly-boy wrote:
proxim2020 wrote:
Old-Biscuit wrote:
I try my best to NOT buy anything made in China...tires, dog food, kids toys etc.
List is very long.
Same here.CKNSLS wrote:
OLD Biscuit
You probably don't buy much. This is VERY HARD to do.
It's actually quite easy to avoid Chinese products in lots of cases, it just takes some effort. Effort as in flipping the package over and looking at the country of manufacture. After reading and watching several investigative reports/documentaries over the years about the manufacturing practices of the country and lack of oversight, I started paying attention to the labels. You may have to check several products on the shelf, but there's a good chance there's a few that are not made in China. If I can find my item and it's made in the US or Canada, then that's the one I want. Yeah it might cost a few bucks more, but who cares. You're supporting your country's and ally's economy. Surprisingly, quite a few Canadian products are cheaper than the Chinese versions.
I try to avoid Chinese made items, but there's some items that will almost always come from there because they're the only ones that make it. However, there's some items that I will never buy from China like food meant for human or pet consumption (especially seafood). Now buying American can be difficult at times, but it still can be done. Once again, people just need to make the effort.
I don't have any issue buying something from China so long as it is an American company doing the selling- For example- the iPhone.
Thousands of American companies have production off shore in China and other third world countries- And I don't worry at all about quality. I would have no problem buying Michelin, Toyo, BFG... tires made in China because I would know the quality was there.
I agree-but I once linked an article here on this forum about the Michelin plant in China. The article stated you couldn't tell the difference between the China plant and a plant located elsewhere in the world, except for the Chinese workers of course. After posting that article there were STILL some on these forum who said they would refuse to buy a Chinese made Michelin. Somethings on here never change, and for those against buying products made in China that's one thing that won't. - NC_HaulerExplorer
CKNSLS wrote:
Me Again wrote:
CKNSLS wrote:
Many Chinese trailer tires have now added a Nylon cap like the "Mx" brand. There have not been ANY WIDESPREAD REPORTS of tires with the nylon cap failing with the possible exception of "Towmax" and those have been on heavy 5ers. The Carlisle brand complaints are non-existent since this change.
So-be careful before making a widespread claim-especially if it can be proven it's not TRUE ANYMORE.
Hate to rain on your parade, but the GY Marathon got your vaulted Nylon overlay years ago and most think one should only use it because GY will pay to repair one's tire damaged trailer. Chris
Chris-with all due respect we all know your on a one man campaign to discredit ST tires. Thank you for your contribution. While the jury may still be out on the Marathon-there has been a marked improvement by adding this overlay with other manufacturers.
Actually Chris isn't by himself on this "campaign to discredit ST tires", there are quite a few of us that feel the same way as Chris.
As far as Michelin tires being manufactured in china, "IF" they are TS16969 accredited and the same Quality goes into them as wherever else they are manufactured, then not a big deal...The Sailun tires, made in China, TS16969 accredited, meaning they understand and use quality processes in their manufacturing processes and can PROVE it with actual training records as well as the manufacturing process with Quality controls and checks in the manufacturing process....so, if the tires made in China offer this kind of quailty, then ok, but I know of only one or two tires manufactured in China that take pride in what they build...they don't have to answer for how bad their product is, others do... - Community Alumni
fly-boy wrote:
Thousands of American companies have production off shore in China and other third world countries- And I don't worry at all about quality. I would have no problem buying Michelin, Toyo, BFG... tires made in China because I would know the quality was there.
Not to turn this into an anti-China thread, but quality can be an issue in that exact situation. Reese began moving more and more of their production offshore. I remember several threads showing up here and other forums over the years with inexplicable failures of components like shanks. Someone would always ask, "Does the box say it was made in China?" The answer seemed like it was always yes. Their lack of oversight and regulation allows for the production of quite inferior materials. Due to the lack of regulations, metals are often created with high levels of impurities which ends up making a soft/inferior product. Reese had pretty good quality before when everything was made in America. Sometimes when a company moves production offshore, quality gets left behind.
My avoidance of Chinese made products goes quite further than just quality. When you buy a Chinese made product, some of that money goes to their government. There's a whole host of ethical issue within the country that the government is directly involved in. The Three Gorges Dam is just one example. There's also a cost to having cheaply manufactured products and we don't see the effects here in this country. Employers cut corners whenever they can to save on cost even if it endangers the workers. Chinese factory workers are 3 times more likely to be killed on the job that US workers. They are also only paid around $1.36 per hour. Yes the cost of living (more like standard of living) in China is much lower, but it's not that low. Sometimes workers are required to live in some pretty sad conditions and abused, all to benefit the factory. The country has deceptive and unfair trade practices like currency manipulation and turning a blind eye to the counterfeit market. The list goes on and on and on.
Our current unemployment rate is 6.2% and Canada has a 7% rate. That's a lot of people who aren't contributing to the tax base. That's money that should be going to schools, roads, and other governmental responsibilities. Moving more production offshore will only increase that number. We talk a lot about oil independence, but we really should be looking at manufacturing independence. That would have a huge impact in this country. Our love affair with offshore production may have peaked as more and more companies move production back to the US. Big names like Dow, GE, and Caterpillar are moving their production back to the US. Bridgestone Golf moved all of their production of golf balls back to the US this year. This is all a big plus for our country. - CKNSLSExplorerI think before one posts ones view on Chinese products one should state if they have a Union affiliation, or collecting A union pension.
That would put things in to perspective.... - NC_HaulerExplorerNo union affiliations....zip, nil, nada.I just know about manufacturing and quality processes
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