To delete or not to delete ?

****, I am a criminal.;)

What is the next thing they are going to go after to make me even more of a criminal?

N-Trouble wrote:
Deleting is typically a DIY endeavor. “A shop” advertising to perform a delete is at risk of serious fines and loosing their business license. Wonder how long they have been in business.

It's a violation of Federal law.

If it isn't broke don't fix it. I would leave well enough alone.

Having said that these 6.7PSD deleted are some real impressive sounding engines.

kw/00 wrote:
Deleting the exhaust system on the fire truck...... huh.... ok so let me just add to what the shop is doing wrong... first the only trucks exempt from emissions are the military. I can tell you from fact that our fire service can't delete and emissions unless we get the good old gov to let it happen. Despite all of the ongoing regen issues we can't still have any... repeat any of our fire service trucks deleted... EPA would have a field day. Military can however since those trucks are used throughout the world. As far as the 6.7 having any need for a delete, I don't see the reason. They seem better now then other models in the past. If u do delete keep all your parts cause u will need to put them back on prior selling the truck. And of course the shop wants you to delete it. Not only because they make money on parts and installing but they sell your deleted system on the other market and make money there.....that my experience and my opinion only. I know that in Florida, you can't trade in a truck with a deleted system. The dealer can't resell unless they put the system back in... of course they take full advantage of a deleted truck and charge u the bill or severely drop ur trade in value to reinstall the system.

Exactly. Why a fire service organization would jeopardize any federal funding they may get for violating emission laws is beyond me. Also, emergency vehicles do get an exemption on dpf regeneration, in other words they are allowed to program the vehicle to not go into limp mode when the dpf needs cleaning. But whomever specced that truck hopefully ordered with with the option of stationary regeneration. Regardless of how the truck is used, they should not have to delete it to keep it running right. My department has a 2009 F550 rescue with the 6.4, and despite it only getting driven 1000 miles a year we have never had an emissions related problem with it.

Deleting any emission equipment is illegal.

There are different requirements for different classes of truck, but I think even the big rigs run DEF. I don't know if there is any exemption for things like a fire truck.

Deleting the exhaust system on the fire truck...... huh.... ok so let me just add to what the shop is doing wrong... first the only trucks exempt from emissions are the military. I can tell you from fact that our fire service can't delete and emissions unless we get the good old gov to let it happen. Despite all of the ongoing regen issues we can't still have any... repeat any of our fire service trucks deleted... EPA would have a field day. Military can however since those trucks are used throughout the world. As far as the 6.7 having any need for a delete, I don't see the reason. They seem better now then other models in the past. If u do delete keep all your parts cause u will need to put them back on prior selling the truck. And of course the shop wants you to delete it. Not only because they make money on parts and installing but they sell your deleted system on the other market and make money there.....that my experience and my opinion only. I know that in Florida, you can't trade in a truck with a deleted system. The dealer can't resell unless they put the system back in... of course they take full advantage of a deleted truck and charge u the bill or severely drop ur trade in value to reinstall the system.

"They said it would run better, get better mpg, no DEF or regen. I told them I will think about it."

Does the State of New Mexico allow the deletion? No thinking needed if the state says "no." If the state says you can, then why would Ford put parts on your vehicle that make it run worse? Get less MPG? Etc.

No way I would do that to a new P/U.
The systems are much more trouble free than they once were and the real life difference in mileage is negligible.
And eventually it will cause you legal problems.
Just not worth it to me.

On another note, if you live or drive in an area where the NOx can stagnate in the troposphere and the heat creates even more NOx(like southern California or large cities) then deleting might be a bad thing. Other places where the NOx has a chance to dissipate in the stratosphere where we want more ozone, then not so much.

Deleting is typically a DIY endeavor. “A shop” advertising to perform a delete is at risk of serious fines and loosing their business license. Wonder how long they have been in business.