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Jun 01, 2013

Tow Vehicle Improvements

I'm a little concerned about pulling our travel trailer out west and being able to pull up steep grades. I have a 2010 F-150 5.4L and was considering making a couple of power improvements like a cold air intake system and a cat back exhaust system. Has anyone made these modifications? If so, do you think it was worth the investment?

Thanks in advance for your help.

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our 3 1/2 weeks out west and am pleased to say my rig did great pulling up grade and down. The only thing that gave me any trouble was the side winds we encountered a few times during the trip. But, I understand that side wind conditions plague most TV and TT combos and it was tolerable. Worst of it was 35-40 mph winds for most of the trip across Kansas.

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LeBout wrote:
Indy317 wrote:
Which interstate was that on? We are taking 90 from South Dakota through Wyoming up to Billings, Montana.


He was referring to non-Interstate roads. I-90 from South Dakota up into Montana doesn't have any horribly steep grades at all. I just took that route a few weeks ago although in the reverse order. I find that route easier to traverse than across the southern part of Wyoming on I-80 which has some LONG grades.


It was route 16, not the Interstate.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-06-16T14:31:28.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-06-16T14:31:28.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":469},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:556094/message:556133","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"565","rawBody":"
LeBout wrote:
Indy317 wrote:
Which interstate was that on? We are taking 90 from South Dakota through Wyoming up to Billings, Montana.


He was referring to non-Interstate roads. I-90 from South Dakota up into Montana doesn't have any horribly steep grades at all. I just took that route a few weeks ago although in the reverse order. I find that route easier to traverse than across the southern part of Wyoming on I-80 which has some LONG grades.


It was route 16, not the Interstate.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:556133_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:388131":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:388131","uid":388131,"login":"no-logic","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-09-03T14:50:23.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:388131"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:556132":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:556132","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:556132":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:388131"},"id":"message:556132","revisionNum":1,"uid":556132,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:556094"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:556094"},"subject":"Re: Tow Vehicle Improvements","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:556132"},"body":"Here's my $.02 - I tow a 4800# 29' TT with a 2003 Chevy Tahoe with a 5.3L rated at 285 hp and 3.73 gears. It had a cat-back exhaust on it when I bought it so I can't speak for that before/after. I had the same concern as you. It struggles on the hills. I tried a cold air intake and between that and the exhaust the noise was almost unbearable. I took the intake off. Didn't notice any difference in power anyway. I did install a low restriction air filter though and opened up the air box a little.I had the ECM tuned and that made a noticeable difference. That was definitely worth it. But here is my take on it......it's going to slow down in the hills. Just let the motor do it's best and take your time and accept the fact that everyone is going to pass you. Sometimes I find that easing up on the throttle a bit helps rather than planting your foot in it all the time. With that said.....my next truck WILL be a diesel.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-06-13T15:37:35.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-06-13T15:37:35.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":469},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:556094/message:556132","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"925","rawBody":"Here's my $.02 - I tow a 4800# 29' TT with a 2003 Chevy Tahoe with a 5.3L rated at 285 hp and 3.73 gears. It had a cat-back exhaust on it when I bought it so I can't speak for that before/after. I had the same concern as you. It struggles on the hills. I tried a cold air intake and between that and the exhaust the noise was almost unbearable. I took the intake off. Didn't notice any difference in power anyway. I did install a low restriction air filter though and opened up the air box a little.I had the ECM tuned and that made a noticeable difference. That was definitely worth it. But here is my take on it......it's going to slow down in the hills. Just let the motor do it's best and take your time and accept the fact that everyone is going to pass you. Sometimes I find that easing up on the throttle a bit helps rather than planting your foot in it all the time. With that said.....my next truck WILL be a diesel.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:556132_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:556131":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:556131","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:556131":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:180876"},"id":"message:556131","revisionNum":1,"uid":556131,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:556094"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:556094"},"subject":"Re: Tow Vehicle Improvements","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:556131"},"body":"
LeBout wrote:
He was referring to non-Interstate roads. I-90 from South Dakota up into Montana doesn't have any horribly steep grades at all. I just took that route a few weeks ago although in the reverse order. I find that route easier to traverse than across the southern part of Wyoming on I-80 which has some LONG grades.


Thanks for the info! We leave in less than a week. Looking forward to the challenges and seeing the sights.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-06-07T18:51:49.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-06-07T18:51:49.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":469},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:556094/message:556131","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"474","rawBody":"
LeBout wrote:
He was referring to non-Interstate roads. I-90 from South Dakota up into Montana doesn't have any horribly steep grades at all. I just took that route a few weeks ago although in the reverse order. I find that route easier to traverse than across the southern part of Wyoming on I-80 which has some LONG grades.


Thanks for the info! We leave in less than a week. Looking forward to the challenges and seeing the sights.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:556131_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:198722":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:198722","uid":198722,"login":"LeBout","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2008-01-21T16:27:38.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:198722"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:556130":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:556130","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:556130":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:198722"},"id":"message:556130","revisionNum":1,"uid":556130,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:556094"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:556094"},"subject":"Re: Tow Vehicle Improvements","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:556130"},"body":"
Indy317 wrote:
Which interstate was that on? We are taking 90 from South Dakota through Wyoming up to Billings, Montana.


He was referring to non-Interstate roads. I-90 from South Dakota up into Montana doesn't have any horribly steep grades at all. I just took that route a few weeks ago although in the reverse order. I find that route easier to traverse than across the southern part of Wyoming on I-80 which has some LONG grades.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-06-07T17:27:36.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-06-07T17:27:36.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":469},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:556094/message:556130","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"473","rawBody":"
Indy317 wrote:
Which interstate was that on? We are taking 90 from South Dakota through Wyoming up to Billings, Montana.


He was referring to non-Interstate roads. I-90 from South Dakota up into Montana doesn't have any horribly steep grades at all. I just took that route a few weeks ago although in the reverse order. I find that route easier to traverse than across the southern part of Wyoming on I-80 which has some LONG grades.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:556130_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:556129":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:556129","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:556129":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:180876"},"id":"message:556129","revisionNum":1,"uid":556129,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:556094"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:556094"},"subject":"Re: Tow Vehicle Improvements","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:556129"},"body":"
peirek wrote:
The only time I was ever uncomfortable coming down a mountain was across Wyoming and going through the Big Horn mountains. 2nd gear would not keep me going slow enough and it was the only white knuckle event I have ever had.


Which interstate was that on? We are taking 90 from South Dakota through Wyoming up to Billings, Montana.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-06-07T14:33:35.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-06-07T14:33:35.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":469},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:556094/message:556129","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"386","rawBody":"
peirek wrote:
The only time I was ever uncomfortable coming down a mountain was across Wyoming and going through the Big Horn mountains. 2nd gear would not keep me going slow enough and it was the only white knuckle event I have ever had.


Which interstate was that on? We are taking 90 from South Dakota through Wyoming up to Billings, Montana.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:556129_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:556128":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:556128","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:556128":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:376283"},"id":"message:556128","revisionNum":1,"uid":556128,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:556094"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:556094"},"subject":"Re: Tow Vehicle Improvements","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:556128"},"body":"
LeBout wrote:
Indy317 wrote:
Just to clarify: TV vehicle is a 2010 F150 FX4 crew cab, 5.4L, 6 sp tranny with cooler, 3.73 rear axle, tow pkg, trailer brake control, sway control, and 7350 lb GVWR pkg. Trailer is 28 ft with a dry weight of approx 5400 lbs. Fully loaded I figure we'll be around 6500 lbs.


You'll do fine! :)


Indy 317. You will have no problems with this setup. Remember to use the gears coming down the hills. If you are hitting the brakes you need to slow down and select the next lower gear. Going up the steeper grades expect 40-45 MPH in 2nd gear, but as someone else has mentioned, the 5.4L will hum nicely at that RPM.

As for non-Interstate roads having less grade than Interstate. This is simply not true. The only time I was ever uncomfortable coming down a mountain was across Wyoming and going through the Big Horn mountains. 2nd gear would not keep me going slow enough and it was the only white knuckle event I have ever had.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-06-07T14:04:18.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-06-07T14:04:18.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":469},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:556094/message:556128","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1053","rawBody":"
LeBout wrote:
Indy317 wrote:
Just to clarify: TV vehicle is a 2010 F150 FX4 crew cab, 5.4L, 6 sp tranny with cooler, 3.73 rear axle, tow pkg, trailer brake control, sway control, and 7350 lb GVWR pkg. Trailer is 28 ft with a dry weight of approx 5400 lbs. Fully loaded I figure we'll be around 6500 lbs.


You'll do fine! :)


Indy 317. You will have no problems with this setup. Remember to use the gears coming down the hills. If you are hitting the brakes you need to slow down and select the next lower gear. Going up the steeper grades expect 40-45 MPH in 2nd gear, but as someone else has mentioned, the 5.4L will hum nicely at that RPM.

As for non-Interstate roads having less grade than Interstate. This is simply not true. The only time I was ever uncomfortable coming down a mountain was across Wyoming and going through the Big Horn mountains. 2nd gear would not keep me going slow enough and it was the only white knuckle event I have ever had.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:556128_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:556127":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:556127","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:556127":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:198722"},"id":"message:556127","revisionNum":1,"uid":556127,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:556094"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:556094"},"subject":"Re: Tow Vehicle Improvements","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:556127"},"body":"
Gdetrailer wrote:
It is not the Indy500 and you don't need to act like you are in a race.


Hahaha! So true...but I STILL have to keep reminding myself of this all the time. :)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"180","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-06-07T11:19:01.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-06-07T11:19:01.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":469},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:556094/message:556127","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"215","rawBody":"
Gdetrailer wrote:
It is not the Indy500 and you don't need to act like you are in a race.


Hahaha! So true...but I STILL have to keep reminding myself of this all the time. :)","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:556127_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000","value":{"ariaLabelClosed":"Press the down arrow to open the menu"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000","value":{"solved":"Solved"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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