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Jan 15, 2022

Towing mileage/capability

First, I did see a 'what are you towing with?' post. Be darned if I can find it. I'm happy to read suggested posts if you point me to them.

We have a 2021 Wolfpup 16fq, 3200 lbs, nearly 12' high if you include the AC; figure 4000 max with us and fuel and gear.

Right now I'm towing with a 2003 Yukon, but in a year or two we'd like to get something better - better mileage the priority, but failing that, capability and/or comfort, as well as lower to the ground if possible, as my wife has problems climbing into high trucks. So I'd like to hear from people with experience relative to our trailer, if possible.

I work on my own so older vehicles are worth considering, too. My experience is, rated towing does not always align with capability, and while I've found 4wd is helpful at times at county sites, I wonder if front wheel drive - like the Flex (4500lb tow) or the Traverse (5500lb tow) are up to the task.

Our experiences:

My Dakota supposedly had a 5500 lb rating (3.57 ratio and 135k on the V6) ; I had upgraded brakes in anticipation of towing since it had the towing capacity. It manhandled the trailer fine and actually brakes better without trailer brakes (yet) than either of the GM full size. However while mileage here in the rolling hills of eastern Iowa was 14, it wanted to spend most of its time in second gear which made me a bit nervous. I suspect a V8 one would be fine. Very comfortable on long trips.

We bought a 2001 Silverado Z71 with the 5.3 V8, 4.10 gears, trailer package but while replacing the brake lines found a cracked frame covered up with undercoat and the rear axle leaked Iike a sieve; we replace it with the Yukon (340k) also with the 5.3 and 3.73 gears. The Silverado towed well, rarely went out of overdrive, and got 14/21 not towing, 12 to 14 towing, and climbed those steep hills along the Mississppi. By contrast, the Yukon will only tow in third and wants to shift liberally to second; mileage at best is 10/17 not towing and 8 towing, on the same roads as the Silverado; it struggles on steep hills. Both of these newer trucks kill my back. Actually the '95 Silverado K1500HD (trailer package and 350, extended cab long box) towed and got better mileage than this Yukon does with the '71 Holiday Rambler Vacationer we had some years back. That truck was much easier to work on, too.

So what are other's experiences with towing trailers around this size? Are there better choices without spending a huge amount?

Thanks, Bruce
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Be darned if I can find it. I'm happy to read suggested posts if you point me to them.

We have a 2021 Wolfpup 16fq, 3200 lbs, nearly 12' high if you include the AC; figure 4000 max with us and fuel and gear.

Right now I'm towing with a 2003 Yukon, but in a year or two we'd like to get something better - better mileage the priority, but failing that, capability and/or comfort, as well as lower to the ground if possible, as my wife has problems climbing into high trucks. So I'd like to hear from people with experience relative to our trailer, if possible.

I work on my own so older vehicles are worth considering, too. My experience is, rated towing does not always align with capability, and while I've found 4wd is helpful at times at county sites, I wonder if front wheel drive - like the Flex (4500lb tow) or the Traverse (5500lb tow) are up to the task.

Our experiences:

My Dakota supposedly had a 5500 lb rating (3.57 ratio and 135k on the V6) ; I had upgraded brakes in anticipation of towing since it had the towing capacity. It manhandled the trailer fine and actually brakes better without trailer brakes (yet) than either of the GM full size. However while mileage here in the rolling hills of eastern Iowa was 14, it wanted to spend most of its time in second gear which made me a bit nervous. I suspect a V8 one would be fine. Very comfortable on long trips.

We bought a 2001 Silverado Z71 with the 5.3 V8, 4.10 gears, trailer package but while replacing the brake lines found a cracked frame covered up with undercoat and the rear axle leaked Iike a sieve; we replace it with the Yukon (340k) also with the 5.3 and 3.73 gears. The Silverado towed well, rarely went out of overdrive, and got 14/21 not towing, 12 to 14 towing, and climbed those steep hills along the Mississppi. By contrast, the Yukon will only tow in third and wants to shift liberally to second; mileage at best is 10/17 not towing and 8 towing, on the same roads as the Silverado; it struggles on steep hills. Both of these newer trucks kill my back. Actually the '95 Silverado K1500HD (trailer package and 350, extended cab long box) towed and got better mileage than this Yukon does with the '71 Holiday Rambler Vacationer we had some years back. That truck was much easier to work on, too.

So what are other's experiences with towing trailers around this size? Are there better choices without spending a huge amount?

Thanks, Bruce","body@stringLength":"2591","rawBody":"First, I did see a 'what are you towing with?' post. Be darned if I can find it. I'm happy to read suggested posts if you point me to them.

We have a 2021 Wolfpup 16fq, 3200 lbs, nearly 12' high if you include the AC; figure 4000 max with us and fuel and gear.

Right now I'm towing with a 2003 Yukon, but in a year or two we'd like to get something better - better mileage the priority, but failing that, capability and/or comfort, as well as lower to the ground if possible, as my wife has problems climbing into high trucks. So I'd like to hear from people with experience relative to our trailer, if possible.

I work on my own so older vehicles are worth considering, too. My experience is, rated towing does not always align with capability, and while I've found 4wd is helpful at times at county sites, I wonder if front wheel drive - like the Flex (4500lb tow) or the Traverse (5500lb tow) are up to the task.

Our experiences:

My Dakota supposedly had a 5500 lb rating (3.57 ratio and 135k on the V6) ; I had upgraded brakes in anticipation of towing since it had the towing capacity. It manhandled the trailer fine and actually brakes better without trailer brakes (yet) than either of the GM full size. However while mileage here in the rolling hills of eastern Iowa was 14, it wanted to spend most of its time in second gear which made me a bit nervous. I suspect a V8 one would be fine. Very comfortable on long trips.

We bought a 2001 Silverado Z71 with the 5.3 V8, 4.10 gears, trailer package but while replacing the brake lines found a cracked frame covered up with undercoat and the rear axle leaked Iike a sieve; we replace it with the Yukon (340k) also with the 5.3 and 3.73 gears. The Silverado towed well, rarely went out of overdrive, and got 14/21 not towing, 12 to 14 towing, and climbed those steep hills along the Mississppi. By contrast, the Yukon will only tow in third and wants to shift liberally to second; mileage at best is 10/17 not towing and 8 towing, on the same roads as the Silverado; it struggles on steep hills. Both of these newer trucks kill my back. Actually the '95 Silverado K1500HD (trailer package and 350, extended cab long box) towed and got better mileage than this Yukon does with the '71 Holiday Rambler Vacationer we had some years back. That truck was much easier to work on, too.

So what are other's experiences with towing trailers around this size? Are there better choices without spending a huge amount?

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Bluedeacon wrote:

For the record. No, I'm not looking for something for nothing. Physics still apply. However, fuel efficiency has improved quite a bit over the years and you'd think there might be more fuel efficient options to tow 4000lbs than a full sized V8 getting 8-10 mpg.


The problem is most of those improvements have occurred when the demand on the engine is light.
- variable displacement (they turn off cylinders under light load)
- Stop-start (they turn off the engine when stopped)
- Hybrids (they fill the battery when under light load and use that stored power under heavy start up loads)
- Etc...

Problem is none of that really applies to towing. Your typical RV'er gets on the freeway, gets up to speed and holds it there. There is negligible light load operations to save much fuel. Under heavy load, 10-20yr old motors were already operating pretty darn efficiently.

And, given the percentage of time people tow and the rules for how the govt punishes poor fuel economy, the manufacturers don't really have a lot of incentive to improve towing efficiency even if there was much room to do so.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-02-12T23:40:13.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-02-12T23:40:13.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1181},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3496333/message:3496369","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1215","rawBody":"
Bluedeacon wrote:

For the record. No, I'm not looking for something for nothing. Physics still apply. However, fuel efficiency has improved quite a bit over the years and you'd think there might be more fuel efficient options to tow 4000lbs than a full sized V8 getting 8-10 mpg.


The problem is most of those improvements have occurred when the demand on the engine is light.
- variable displacement (they turn off cylinders under light load)
- Stop-start (they turn off the engine when stopped)
- Hybrids (they fill the battery when under light load and use that stored power under heavy start up loads)
- Etc...

Problem is none of that really applies to towing. Your typical RV'er gets on the freeway, gets up to speed and holds it there. There is negligible light load operations to save much fuel. Under heavy load, 10-20yr old motors were already operating pretty darn efficiently.

And, given the percentage of time people tow and the rules for how the govt punishes poor fuel economy, the manufacturers don't really have a lot of incentive to improve towing efficiency even if there was much room to do so.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3496369_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"Rank:rank:49":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:49","position":1,"name":"Moderator","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:201204":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:201204","uid":201204,"login":"blt2ski","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2001-03-15T19:54:11.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-4.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:49"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:201204"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496368":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3496368","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3496368":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:201204"},"id":"message:3496368","revisionNum":1,"uid":3496368,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3496333"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3496333"},"subject":"Re: Towing mileage/capability","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496368"},"body":"Grit,
Their were some 400 & 800 GMs badged with 1500HD that for ALL intents, were 8600 gvwr 2500's. Wolves in sheep's clothing.
The 400 HD 1500's you are referring to, in 88 they were 2500's, the 1500's had a 6600 gvwr, and the 3500's an 8609 gvw. No dullies until 90-91. 89 maybe 90 an 8600 2500 came out. Only engine option was a 350. The 454 was in a 9200 sw3500. When fully 3500 came into play, the 8 lug 2500/3500 and DW 3500 got the 350/454 options, and 6.2/6.5 diesel options. About this time iirc the 6 lug 2500 became a 1500. So one could get a 6600 or 7200 gvw version. The 7200 version is really no different than what you and I drive today.

Please note I'm going by memory. From owning an 88 K3500, 89 R3500 square body chassy cab, a 96 K3500 crew cab, 2000 reg cab C2500.

Marty","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"207","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-02-12T08:10:58.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-02-12T08:10:58.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1180},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3496333/message:3496368","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"827","rawBody":"Grit,
Their were some 400 & 800 GMs badged with 1500HD that for ALL intents, were 8600 gvwr 2500's. Wolves in sheep's clothing.
The 400 HD 1500's you are referring to, in 88 they were 2500's, the 1500's had a 6600 gvwr, and the 3500's an 8609 gvw. No dullies until 90-91. 89 maybe 90 an 8600 2500 came out. Only engine option was a 350. The 454 was in a 9200 sw3500. When fully 3500 came into play, the 8 lug 2500/3500 and DW 3500 got the 350/454 options, and 6.2/6.5 diesel options. About this time iirc the 6 lug 2500 became a 1500. So one could get a 6600 or 7200 gvw version. The 7200 version is really no different than what you and I drive today.

Please note I'm going by memory. From owning an 88 K3500, 89 R3500 square body chassy cab, a 96 K3500 crew cab, 2000 reg cab C2500.

Marty","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3496368_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496367":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3496367","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3496367":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:227630"},"id":"message:3496367","revisionNum":1,"uid":3496367,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3496333"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3496333"},"subject":"Re: Towing mileage/capability","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496367"},"body":"
blt2ski wrote:
Actually, the 1500HD in the late 90's, into mid 2005 or so. Had the C14 SF ra, HAD a 4l80e trans iirc the actual gvwr was 8300 or 8400. It had 10 ply tires, same frame etc as an 8600 gvwr 2500.
You could ONLY get this with a 454 or 6.0 gas rig, crew cab with a 6.5' box. A VERY capable tow rig!
But as noted, not a lot of them around.

Marty


The early “heavy halfs” were made to skirt new emissions regs in the late 70s. Side benefit was a little more spring capacity in a half ton.
GMT 400s actually got a heavier axle. And IMO the gmt800 1500hd was too close to the new 2500hd and not very popular.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-02-12T06:59:41.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-02-12T06:59:41.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1180},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3496333/message:3496367","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"683","rawBody":"
blt2ski wrote:
Actually, the 1500HD in the late 90's, into mid 2005 or so. Had the C14 SF ra, HAD a 4l80e trans iirc the actual gvwr was 8300 or 8400. It had 10 ply tires, same frame etc as an 8600 gvwr 2500.
You could ONLY get this with a 454 or 6.0 gas rig, crew cab with a 6.5' box. A VERY capable tow rig!
But as noted, not a lot of them around.

Marty


The early “heavy halfs” were made to skirt new emissions regs in the late 70s. Side benefit was a little more spring capacity in a half ton.
GMT 400s actually got a heavier axle. And IMO the gmt800 1500hd was too close to the new 2500hd and not very popular.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3496367_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496366":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3496366","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3496366":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:219288"},"id":"message:3496366","revisionNum":1,"uid":3496366,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3496333"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3496333"},"subject":"Re: Towing mileage/capability","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496366"},"body":"Sorry for the confusion. Weird thing, I updated several times and there had been no more posts past the unicorn remark. I post again and suddenly there's four pages lol. Let me catch up, and I'll try to focus :).

My '95 - only a handful built. On the title it did say Z71 HD. Where standard 350 Z71's had a max tow of 7000 this one had a rating of 8500 with a bed haul of 2250. Other than the tranny it appeared standard, 4.10 limited slip rear and 350 ci engine. Hard to say.

I'll try to be back on track this weekend.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-02-12T06:52:03.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-02-12T06:52:03.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1181},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3496333/message:3496366","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"544","rawBody":"Sorry for the confusion. Weird thing, I updated several times and there had been no more posts past the unicorn remark. I post again and suddenly there's four pages lol. Let me catch up, and I'll try to focus :).

My '95 - only a handful built. On the title it did say Z71 HD. Where standard 350 Z71's had a max tow of 7000 this one had a rating of 8500 with a bed haul of 2250. Other than the tranny it appeared standard, 4.10 limited slip rear and 350 ci engine. Hard to say.

I'll try to be back on track this weekend.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3496366_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"Rank:rank:39":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:39","position":29,"name":"Nomad","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:26619":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:26619","uid":26619,"login":"rjstractor","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2003-01-20T09:42:23.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:39"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:26619"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496365":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3496365","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3496365":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:26619"},"id":"message:3496365","revisionNum":1,"uid":3496365,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3496333"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3496333"},"subject":"Re: Towing mileage/capability","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496365"},"body":"
Bluedeacon wrote:
Anyway - the Aerostar. We had an '87 XLT, loved it, but it went to hell at around 120k. I would be interested in another, what with Internet forums. Ironically as with other trucks, the smaller (3 L) has a higher tow rating than the 4L. Most Dakotas have higher tows and hauls than the Ram 1500's. I assume weight difference in the Dodges and weight capacity in the Ford.


I had a '96 Aerostar that I ordered new. At the time the 3.0 did not have a higher tow rating, the GCWR with the 4.0 was higher. I towed a 21 foot hybrid that had a GVWR of 4200 lbs with a running weight of about 3800. It towed pretty well, towing mpg was about 11-12 and it would pull our Cascade passes at 45 with no issues. That's not fast, but tow vehicles at that time had half the hp of today's. We used the Aerostar for a couple of years before trading it on an Expedition with the Triton 4.6 V8. Surprisingly, it didn't really tow much better power-wise, but towing mpg dropped to about 8.

Of course, the problem with towing with an Aerostar today is finding one that isn't ready for the wrecking yard.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-02-11T17:36:06.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-02-11T17:36:06.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":567},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3496333/message:3496365","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1158","rawBody":"
Bluedeacon wrote:
Anyway - the Aerostar. We had an '87 XLT, loved it, but it went to hell at around 120k. I would be interested in another, what with Internet forums. Ironically as with other trucks, the smaller (3 L) has a higher tow rating than the 4L. Most Dakotas have higher tows and hauls than the Ram 1500's. I assume weight difference in the Dodges and weight capacity in the Ford.


I had a '96 Aerostar that I ordered new. At the time the 3.0 did not have a higher tow rating, the GCWR with the 4.0 was higher. I towed a 21 foot hybrid that had a GVWR of 4200 lbs with a running weight of about 3800. It towed pretty well, towing mpg was about 11-12 and it would pull our Cascade passes at 45 with no issues. That's not fast, but tow vehicles at that time had half the hp of today's. We used the Aerostar for a couple of years before trading it on an Expedition with the Triton 4.6 V8. Surprisingly, it didn't really tow much better power-wise, but towing mpg dropped to about 8.

Of course, the problem with towing with an Aerostar today is finding one that isn't ready for the wrecking yard.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3496365_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"Rank:rank:40":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:40","position":31,"name":"Explorer III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:846":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:846","uid":846,"login":"Michelle_S","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2011-01-11T16:14:55.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:846"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496364":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3496364","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3496364":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:846"},"id":"message:3496364","revisionNum":1,"uid":3496364,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3496333"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3496333"},"subject":"Re: Towing mileage/capability","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496364"},"body":"I owned a '95 Chevy Silverado 1500HD 4x4 8' bed. Was ordered that way with just the options we wanted. Had it for 10 years and traded in on a 2005 Silverado 3500 Dually, Duramax.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"180","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-02-11T16:12:38.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-02-11T16:12:38.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":483},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3496333/message:3496364","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"180","rawBody":"I owned a '95 Chevy Silverado 1500HD 4x4 8' bed. Was ordered that way with just the options we wanted. Had it for 10 years and traded in on a 2005 Silverado 3500 Dually, Duramax.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3496364_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496363":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3496363","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3496363":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:201204"},"id":"message:3496363","revisionNum":1,"uid":3496363,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3496333"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3496333"},"subject":"Re: Towing mileage/capability","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496363"},"body":"Actually, the 1500HD in the late 90's, into mid 2005 or so. Had the C14 SF ra, HAD a 4l80e trans iirc the actual gvwr was 8300 or 8400. It had 10 ply tires, same frame etc as an 8600 gvwr 2500.
You could ONLY get this with a 454 or 6.0 gas rig, crew cab with a 6.5' box. A VERY capable tow rig!
But as noted, not a lot of them around.

Marty","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-02-11T14:30:15.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-02-11T14:30:15.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":484},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3496333/message:3496363","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"362","rawBody":"Actually, the 1500HD in the late 90's, into mid 2005 or so. Had the C14 SF ra, HAD a 4l80e trans iirc the actual gvwr was 8300 or 8400. It had 10 ply tires, same frame etc as an 8600 gvwr 2500.
You could ONLY get this with a 454 or 6.0 gas rig, crew cab with a 6.5' box. A VERY capable tow rig!
But as noted, not a lot of them around.

Marty","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3496363_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496362":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3496362","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3496362":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:227630"},"id":"message:3496362","revisionNum":1,"uid":3496362,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3496333"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3496333"},"subject":"Re: Towing mileage/capability","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496362"},"body":"The actual model name 1500HD trucks were the GMT800s and basically they were the 99-2000 model 2500s once the 2500 hd came out in 01.
Like he ^ said. GMT 400s did offer 1500s with the heavier axle and spring. Never saw many of them, and I believe they were 6 lug 14 bolt SF axles. You could call them HD, just not their official designation.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-02-11T14:10:47.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-02-11T14:10:47.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":484},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3496333/message:3496362","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"347","rawBody":"The actual model name 1500HD trucks were the GMT800s and basically they were the 99-2000 model 2500s once the 2500 hd came out in 01.
Like he ^ said. GMT 400s did offer 1500s with the heavier axle and spring. Never saw many of them, and I believe they were 6 lug 14 bolt SF axles. You could call them HD, just not their official designation.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3496362_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:225976":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:225976","uid":225976,"login":"Huntindog","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2002-04-08T05:04:49.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:225976"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496361":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3496361","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3496361":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:225976"},"id":"message:3496361","revisionNum":1,"uid":3496361,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3496333"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3496333"},"subject":"Re: Towing mileage/capability","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496361"},"body":"
Thunderbolt wrote:
Grit dog wrote:
And I’ve never seen a 95 “1500HD”. I’d go as far as saying they don’t exist. While icbw, that designation and the corresponding heavier chassis with the 1500hd badging didn’t start until the gmt800 models.


My 98 1500 had the Heavy Duty chassis package. This consisted of a 14 bolt semi floating rear differential, bigger rear brakes and an extra rear leaf spring. This upped the GVWR from the standard 6,200 to 6,600. I think this was available in 95 as well. The truck was not called a 1500HD though.
I know there was a 1500HD in 2001.Do not recall just what it had in it.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-02-11T13:41:27.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-02-11T13:41:27.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":483},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3496333/message:3496361","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"708","rawBody":"
Thunderbolt wrote:
Grit dog wrote:
And I’ve never seen a 95 “1500HD”. I’d go as far as saying they don’t exist. While icbw, that designation and the corresponding heavier chassis with the 1500hd badging didn’t start until the gmt800 models.


My 98 1500 had the Heavy Duty chassis package. This consisted of a 14 bolt semi floating rear differential, bigger rear brakes and an extra rear leaf spring. This upped the GVWR from the standard 6,200 to 6,600. I think this was available in 95 as well. The truck was not called a 1500HD though.
I know there was a 1500HD in 2001.Do not recall just what it had in it.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3496361_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:57583":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:57583","uid":57583,"login":"Thunderbolt","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2003-07-03T06:01:32.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:57583"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496360":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3496360","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3496360":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:57583"},"id":"message:3496360","revisionNum":1,"uid":3496360,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3496333"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3496333"},"subject":"Re: Towing mileage/capability","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3496360"},"body":"
Grit dog wrote:
And I’ve never seen a 95 “1500HD”. I’d go as far as saying they don’t exist. While icbw, that designation and the corresponding heavier chassis with the 1500hd badging didn’t start until the gmt800 models.


My 98 1500 had the Heavy Duty chassis package. This consisted of a 14 bolt semi floating rear differential, bigger rear brakes and an extra rear leaf spring. This upped the GVWR from the standard 6,200 to 6,600. I think this was available in 95 as well. The truck was not called a 1500HD though.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-02-11T11:51:04.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-02-11T11:51:04.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":485},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3496333/message:3496360","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"559","rawBody":"
Grit dog wrote:
And I’ve never seen a 95 “1500HD”. I’d go as far as saying they don’t exist. While icbw, that designation and the corresponding heavier chassis with the 1500hd badging didn’t start until the gmt800 models.


My 98 1500 had the Heavy Duty chassis package. This consisted of a 14 bolt semi floating rear differential, bigger rear brakes and an extra rear leaf spring. This upped the GVWR from the standard 6,200 to 6,600. I think this was available in 95 as well. 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