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Second_Chance
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Jul 23, 2013

Trying to decide - Ascend or R-Pod (now Surveyor Sport)

My wife and I are looking to buy a small travel trailer soon. We are empty-nesters rapidly approaching retirement, but do not see "full-timing" in our future at this point. I grew up roughing it in the southern Rockies in the 50's and 60's - but I'm over that, now.

Our tow vehicle is a 2005 Tahoe (only 72K miles) in near-perfect condition with the 5.3L V-8, towing package, brake controller, and a 6,700 lb tow rating (5,000 lb for the hitch/rear axle without weight distribution). Having owned a Coleman pop-up, I want the following in a new RV:

1. No tentage
2. An enclosed bathroom with shower.
3. A good sleeping surface (a "real" mattress).
4. Self-contained for a couple of nights if necessary.
5. Light weight and reasonably aerodynamic.
6. A/C and probably some sort of heating.

I’ve spent almost 40 years towing boats of various types and sizes (plus the Coleman camper) and want to stay well below the rated capacities for the Tahoe. With the research we’ve been able to do on-line – and considering the brands and lines available in our area – I think we’ve narrowed it down to the Ascend series by Evergreen or the R-Pod based on features, construction, and price. Among the Ascend 171, Ascend 191, and the various R-Pod models, I would value your thoughts and any experience you have with these RVs – and any experience you may have with either of these manufacturers and their trailers.

Thanks!

Rob

OK - having spent Saturday (yesterday) at the RV dealer up the road, the focus has changed. The r-pods are too small for us (at retirement age, we don't want to crawl over each other to get out of the bed and to the bathroom during the night). The Ascend 191 was OK (walk-around queed bed), but the seating at the dinette was uncomfortable - the backrests are set too far back, completely vertical, and a shelf protrusion at the top of the back cuts into one's back when you lean back. This would could be remedied with the addition of large, wedge-shaped foam blocks behind the backrests, but one shouldn’t have to correct things like that themselves.

At just two feet longer and a few hundred pounds heavier (and at the same price for a new demo model), the salesperson working thought we should look at the Surveyor Sport 220 by Forest River. The construction (fiberglass over aluminum frame) is very similar to the Ascend, but the U-shaped dinette in a shallow slide-out is infinitely more comfortable and the slide-out opens up the living are a lot more. The couple of extra feet and a rear, unified configuration make the bathroom facilities much roomier, too.

The GVW of the trailer is well within the limits of my Tahoe (2005 5.3 with tow package, coolers, and brake controller) and the dealer sets up a weight distribution hitch with anti-sway before you leave the lot.

I see a lot of Surveyor units on the road – fivers and travel trailers. What experience have any of you had with this line and/or the Surveyor Sport models in particular?

Thanks!

Rob

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  • I second the Forest River Rockwood Ultra Light. We have a non slide unit and it pulls incredibly easy with our Silverado crew cab, and for 2 of us we have plenty of room, separate bathroom/shower, nice walk around queen and maintenance has been minimal. We lived in it full time for over a month while waiting to close on our new home... without issue and with plenty of comfort.

    Good luck, good information on this site.
  • In your title you mentioned the Surveyor but not in your description. When we bought our current TT, we were wanting a Surveyor. I just could not get the dealer into the number I wanted. We really like the fit and finish and the overall build quality. That said, the dry weight is good but by the time you factor in your stuff, I think many will be out of your weight range. Surveyor

    Now, I see that your TV is a 2005 and appears to be in great shape. That said, how often do you trade vehicles? If you are planning to trade in the next year or so, it might pay you to hold off on the purchase of a TT until that time.
  • Before we bought our ROO 23SS HTT, we looked at a Surveyor 264 with a rear kitchen....to die for. However, it fit neither our TV or budget. Surveyors are constructed differently than many RVs - might be worth the time to go to their site and IIRC the description is on the rear cover of the brochure. We are on our 2nd FR product - first the ROO HTT and now a Rockwood Ultra Lite 2604 and have been very pleased with both. If you're thinking keeping small but comfortable and functional, you might want to look at the Rockwood MiniLites. They have several models, the ones I've seen are nicely finished and weight is good. Good that you're taking your time and thinking this through from several angles. Good luck!
  • (Original poster)

    OK - having spent Saturday (yesterday) at the RV dealer up the road, the focus has changed. The r-pods are too small for us (at retirement age, we don't want to crawl over each other to get out of the bed and to the bathroom during the night). The Ascend 191 was OK (walk-around queed bed), but the seating at the dinette was uncomfortable - the backrests are set too far back, completely vertical, and a shelf protrusion at the top of the back cuts into one's back when you lean back. This would could be remedied with the addition of large, wedge-shaped foam blocks behind the backrests, but one shouldn’t have to correct things like that themselves.

    At just two feet longer and a few hundred pounds heavier (and at the same price for a new demo model), the salesperson working thought we should look at the Surveyor Sport 220 by Forest River. The construction (fiberglass over aluminum frame) is very similar to the Ascend, but the U-shaped dinette in a shallow slide-out is infinitely more comfortable and the slide-out opens up the living are a lot more. The couple of extra feet and a rear, unified configuration make the bathroom facilities much roomier, too.

    The GVW of the trailer is well within the limits of my Tahoe (2005 5.3 with tow package, coolers, and brake controller) and the dealer sets up a weight distribution hitch with anti-sway before you leave the lot.

    I see a lot of Surveyor units on the road – fivers and travel trailers. What experience have any of you had with this line and/or the Surveyor Sport models in particular?

    Thanks!

    Rob
  • Have only had one opportunity to tour an R-Pod, but fit and finish looked good. The particular model we visited was very limited on space for hanging clothes and they turned the wet bath into a closet.....no thanks, horribly inconvenient. That said, these folks were camped next to us and had more "stuff" crammed into that space that you could imagine. We're on our second FR product and have been very satisfied. I would strongly suggest a model with the slide. Also, you're in a pretty warm and humid area, and a roof mount and preferably ducted A/C would be my choice, if available. Happy shopping!
  • BroncosFan wrote:
    Do you order the R-Pod axle risers from the factory, or do you hunt down a service Dept. that will do it? thanks.


    Most current build RPods now come with risers already installed, especially the west coast Hood River Editions. When we bought our Pod in 2010, most didn't. We ordered ours from the factory (about $80 then), and had a local RV shop install them for about $120--1 to 1.5 hour labor.

    Without the risers, the Pods sit so low that I scraped off a leveling jack entering a gas station. No problems with the additional 4" rise, and a lot less worry at rough Nat. Park or Forest Service camp sites.
  • Do you order the R-Pod axle risers from the factory, or do you hunt down a service Dept. that will do it? thanks.
  • With your towing capacity, you might want to look at some of the fiberglass eggs available. I prefer the Escape Trailer Industries products (I have towed an Escape 17B 36,000 miles with a RAV4) but Scamp & Casita as well as other manufacturers make fiberglass trailers sized from 13' - 22' that would be towable with your vehicle. I have links to most of the fiberglass manufacturers at JV's Fiberglass Trailer Links.
  • I dunno anything about Ascend, but I've owned an RPod for about 3 and a half years. It has towed fine and held up well. The quality seems to be better than other trailers we've owned, except maybe our Arctic Fox. We have an RPod with a slide, so elbow room is a little better than some trailers of this size. The quality of the supplied mattress in our Pod was not good. We replaced it right away. Also, anyone over 5'10' or maybe 6' would be a tight fit for sleeping on a short queen.

    The bathroom is a wet bath, and I know some don't care for that. Never been a problem. The tanks are sized nicely for a small trailer @ about 30 gallons each. We have had a good enough experience with our Pod that I would buy another, but I also know they aren't for everyone.

    P/S Don't buy a Pod w/out axle risers. as they have too little ground clearance. Also my 4.6 Tundra does a great job towing the Pod--you'd have no probs.