Navistar who made diesel engines for Ford Pickups and VW who is cooperating with Ford on Vans and the New Ranger. Now VW's heavy Truck division wants to get into the US market, although Heavy Trucks have taken a hit in the USVW Traton has made a bid for NavistarNews broke late Jan. 30 that Volkswagen’s global truck unit, Traton SE, is finally making its long-anticipated bid to fully acquire all stock holdings of Navistar International.Since 2016, Volkswagen, through subsidiary Traton, has acquired a nearly 17% stake in Navistar. Now the company has made an unsolicited bid to acquire the remaining Navistar stake for $35 a share, representing a 45% premium on the company’s closing price of $24.07 a share on Thursday, according to a report in the Wall Street Journal. This would put Navistar’s total valuation at $3.5 billion, WSJ added.Shares in Navistar rose 51% in after-hours trading.

Interesting. I don’t know that will be welcome news considering Volkswagen’s reputation for unreliability in the US.Of course Diamler is no better, yet Freightliner has taken the lion’s share of the market, so what do I know? Price sells more than any other consideration I suppose.

Ductape wrote:Interesting. I don’t know that will be welcome news considering Volkswagen’s reputation for unreliability in the US.Of course Diamler is no better, yet Freightliner has taken the lion’s share of the market, so what do I know? Price sells more than any other consideration I suppose.Yeah, my company have been dealing with VW's people at Navistar for a few years now since they purchased 16% of the company. VW's lack of quality in order to attain the cheapest product possible is becoming apparent just as Daimler/Freightliner has been doing for years. It has worked for them because they have had the strongest market share yet the lowest resale values of any truck by far because those who buy them only look at up front costs and not long term value. It is just a basic cheap truck for the masses just like VW cars. Goes to show that just because you sell more of something does not mean it is the best.My inside guys at Navistar said this was suppose to happen years from now, but with Navistar loosing a several lawsuits resulting in hundreds of millions of dollars in loses in the past few months, their value dipped low enough for it to happen now.

We've had 2 VW's in past 7 years. 1st one was a a Passat diesel and 2nd is another Passat 4 cyl turbo. Loved the diesel and too bad it was part of VW's scandal, but I really tip my hat to whoever developed the software to allow it to confuse emissions tests. That being said, was it right, no, but still have to hand it to someone. That car got great MPG's, torquey and no problems. That was until 3 months before VW bought it back. It developed a water leak and I never bothered to get it fixed knowing VW was buying it. Now have their 4 cal turbo and while not as torquey as the diesel, does get good MPG's and roomy.In regards to Daimler/Freightliner, I cannot say they are building the cheapest trucks as all the big semi companies are suffering from the same thing as the big 3 pick-up companies......DEF systems. Have spoken to many and that's the biggest gripe. Reason you may hear/see more Freightliners w/ problems is cuz you see the most of them on the road. Many years ago. International was #1 in pretty much all markets. Freightliner came along with a goal to knock IH off it's #1 perch in same categories. Ford's 6.0 PSD got a lousy rap, but look at how many they sold as well. So while you may see more in way of Freightliner's broke down, they like the RV industry, get/use same vendors for products. and most if not all breakdowns are DEF related.Yes IH has had a lousy past 10-15 years or so, partly their fault, partly others. It's the others that took advantage and ran w/ it and don't see how they can be to blame. Personally, I wouldn't rush to buy/drive a IH truck, but if that's what my company chooses to buy, then that's what I have to drive. How many of us have said we wouldn't but a Ram, Ford or GM cuz of either current problems or past history? Yet others continue to do so. Luck of the draw. Harley-Davidson, tho a US bike, are they better than bikes from across the pond? Paying for a name./ Same can be said w/ John Deere. Pick your poison.

ACZL wrote:WIn regards to Daimler/Freightliner, I cannot say they are building the cheapest trucks as all the big semi companies are suffering from the same thing as the big 3 pick-up companies......DEF systems. Have spoken to many and that's the biggest gripe. Reason you may hear/see more Freightliners w/ problems is cuz you see the most of them on the road. Many years ago. International was #1 in pretty much all markets. Freightliner came along with a goal to knock IH off it's #1 perch in same categories. Ford's 6.0 PSD got a lousy rap, but look at how many they sold as well. So while you may see more in way of Freightliner's broke down, they like the RV industry, get/use same vendors for products. and most if not all breakdowns are DEF related.Most breakdowns are not DEF/SCR related in the class 7-8 truck industry. Most are sensor(NOx, O2, and so on) related which in turn may cause the overuse of the DEF/SCR system. EGR system failures are also high on the list.However, in terms of being a cheap truck. The reason why Freightliner's are cheap trucks and have very low resale value is because everything around the engine and drivetrain will generally fall apart due to its lower quality materials and poor design in order the keep costs low. You are also limited on how you can spec them because most German manufacturers believe that they make the best product possible and there is no need to improve on what they offer you so you are limited in customization that you can get with other trucks like Peterbilt's and Kenworth's. And I am saying this based on my experience in dealing and negotiating with many German companies such as Bosch, VW, and Continental.

ACZL wrote:Ford's 6.0 PSD got a lousy rap, but look at how many they sold as well.The 6.0L PSD and 6.2L diesel, bothe designed and manufactured by Navistar, got the reputation they deserved ! Ford bought back THOUSANDS of F250 and F350 in those years and then spent millions giving dealers unlimited funds to "make them right" (short of replacing the block and heads). Once they were running right, they were pretty good.Head gasket or EGR cooler replacement was/is $,$$$ partially because you have to pull the cab but removing everything off the top of the engine is time consuming.

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RobertRyan
Explorer
Feb 03, 2020
The Cummins-built in-line 6-cylinder engine, which also features in the Daf LF as the Paccar PX-7, has been heavily reworked by Scania. It features a completely new fixed geometry turbocharger and Scania’s in-house exhaust gas after-treatment system, allowing it to tackle Euro-6 without the need for EGR.""

So it is NOT a Cummins:S Looks more like a low cost engine for bottom line applications
Scania worked with Cummins on their Fuel injection problems. Working with Cummins and now Isuzu designing new engines
RobertRyan
Explorer
Feb 03, 2020
ShinerBock wrote:
RobertRyan wrote:
Shiner Brock wrote:
Where? I don't see any link stating DAF is working on their own engine to replace the PX engines they re-brand from Cummins. I just got off the phone with a power train product manager at PACCAR who would be involved if DAF were developing a new engine. It was news to him as wel

That does not suprise me as NA is their main focus. Their knowledge of outside NA is pretty limited. Euro 7 will be pretty tough

He is their global powertrain product manager so he would know.

So where is the link?

Where is the link to working on Euro7?
ShinerBock
Explorer
Feb 03, 2020
RobertRyan wrote:
Shiner Brock wrote:
Where? I don't see any link stating DAF is working on their own engine to replace the PX engines they re-brand from Cummins. I just got off the phone with a power train product manager at PACCAR who would be involved if DAF were developing a new engine. It was news to him as wel

That does not suprise me as NA is their main focus. Their knowledge of outside NA is pretty limited. Euro 7 will be pretty tough

He is their global powertrain product manager so he would know.

So where is the link?
ShinerBock
Explorer
Feb 03, 2020
RobertRyan wrote:
Shiner Brock wrote:
Speaking of Scania, Cummins also makes engines for them that they rebrand as their own as well. Their DC07 is a Cummins ISB 6.7L painted black and rebraned as a Scania engine

Really they make 3 lines of Diesel engines, whete is your link?

"The Cummins-built in-line 6-cylinder engine, which also features in the Daf LF as the Paccar PX-7, has been heavily reworked by Scania. It features a completely new fixed geometry turbocharger and Scania’s in-house exhaust gas after-treatment system, allowing it to tackle Euro-6 without the need for EGR.""

Scania introduces new 7-litre engine

"Under the short day-cab sat the newly launched DC07 6.7-litre Cummins-built driveline unveiled by Scania before Christmas for its distribution range. With the official launch happening in the Spring, this was too good an opportunity to miss."

New Scania Engine Driven in the Snow

Do you have that link showing DAF is working on a new in house engine yet? I would love to see it.
RobertRyan
Explorer
Feb 03, 2020
Shiner Brock wrote:
Where? I don't see any link stating DAF is working on their own engine to replace the PX engines they re-brand from Cummins. I just got off the phone with a power train product manager at PACCAR who would be involved if DAF were developing a new engine. It was news to him as wel

That does not suprise me as NA is their main focus. Their knowledge of outside NA is pretty limited. Euro 7 will be pretty tough
RobertRyan
Explorer
Feb 03, 2020
Maybe on the bottom of the world, subsidiaries don’t take direction from their parent corporations.

But here on the topside, they **** well do. Anyone believes otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you.

VW COrporation is a finance and strategy hub, does nor deal with the workings of the overall company
RobertRyan
Explorer
Feb 03, 2020
Shiner Brock wrote:
Speaking of Scania, Cummins also makes engines for them that they rebrand as their own as well. Their DC07 is a Cummins ISB 6.7L painted black and rebraned as a Scania engine

Really they make 3 lines of Diesel engines, whete is your link?
ShinerBock
Explorer
Feb 03, 2020
Speaking of Scania, Cummins also makes engines for them that they rebrand as their own as well. Their DC07 found in many Scania box trucks and buses is a Cummins ISB 6.7L painted black and rebranded as a Scania engine. Similar to the PACCAR PX-7 and PX-9 engine found in many DAF trucks.
Ductape
Explorer
Feb 03, 2020
Maybe on the bottom of the world, subsidiaries don’t take direction from their parent corporations.

But here on the topside, they **** well do. Anyone believes otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you.
ShinerBock
Explorer
Feb 03, 2020
RobertRyan wrote:
Shiner Brock wrote:
did earlier with a picture of the Cummins made turbo on the MX-13. How does a Cummins turbo get on a PACCAR engine without involvement from Cummins?

I already have see above, as DAF works on other engines for PACCAR. EU regulations are getting tighter Euro 7 is being addressed now

Where? I don't see any link stating DAF is working on their own engine to replace the PX engines they re-brand from Cummins. I just got off the phone with a power train product manager at PACCAR who would be involved if DAF were developing a new engine. It was news to him as well.

So can you please link this info.

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