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- Winter Blend MPG is no different than the comparison between diesel and gasoline
One has more BTU's per volume measure than the other.
Ethanol has the lowest BTU per volume measure than both diesel and gasoline...so
of course will have lower MPG - I drove an F150 EcoBoost, crew cab, short bed, 4x4 with 3.55s on a highway trip. Under ideal conditions with no wind on mostly flat ground, I got 21 mpg over 300 miles.
Best quote I've seen from a reviewer was: "you can have Eco or Boost, but not both". Hannibal wrote:
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
As far as Fords so called "torture test". That is a joke goto 4:26 it shows them hooking up to a log on the ground and then 4:36 the log magically jumps on top of another and is dragged off the top of it! Posting infomercials just makes your point worthless.
The only issue Wards has with the Ecoboost is the poor fuel mileage, they actually like the Ecoboost just not the as rated mileage Ford attaches to the vehicles it is put in.
Who is Wardsauto?
From the link: WardsAuto is a world-leading provider of automotive insights and analysis, having served the industry's information needs for more than 90 years. A Southfield, MI-based division of Penton, WardsAuto provides a forward-looking perspective on all aspects of the automotive business, from the tech center to the plant floor to the showroom. Its services include the premium WardsAuto.com resource and suite of customizable data reporting tools, the WardsAuto Interiors and WardsAuto Outlook Conferences, and digital newsletters and magazines. Subscribe to WardsAuto and attend its events by visiting http://www.wardsauto.com.
Don
So because Wards praises the Ecodiesel and 6.0PSD engines, they're the end all be all for pickup truck reviews yet when Ford does a "torture test" with their own Ecoboost engine for an entertaining infomercial, it must be fake?:h
Wards is an independent organization, and overall is well respected in the automative industry. That said, they have made some mistakes, arguably like when they named the 6.0 PS to the Ten Best in 2003. Is their take on the EB another mistake? Time will tell.
Doesn't matter if it is Ford, or anyone else, when they put together a video it should never be looked at as objective, merely a marketing effort.
And in regard to this article on the EB engines, it really isn't saying anything that hasn't been said by multiple news organizations. The EB is a very good engine, but the "Eco" portion is mostly hype.
The EB is NOT a solution for a dramatic increase in MPG, or improving a companys CAFE ratings.- And for all you folks who have never met an EcoB owner who was happy with their mileage, well I guess you have met several now.
When I first got the EcoB in 2011, I was ecstatic that my mileage was better than Tacoma it replaced, given that it was so much more truck. And I'm still happy with it. 2112 wrote:
I know what it does not like and that's 30-40 deg weather burning winter blend.
I can get 20-23 mpg going to and from work in the summer but it struggles to see 18 in the winter.
FWIW: I walked onto the dealer lot with every intention of buying a 5.0. They were all dressers with low payload. I found this stripped EB Max Tow with 2084 lbs payload and feel lucky I did.
I now have over 40,000 miles without a single issue.
Heh, we've got similar trucks and similar experiences.
My long-term mileage not towing is 20 mpgUS.
Towing the trailer below on premium gas is 10.7 mpgUS.
How is your mileage towing the 5er?
My only regret is not getting a 4x4. The new heavier trailer gives me some problems on wet muddy ground.Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
As far as Fords so called "torture test". That is a joke goto 4:26 it shows them hooking up to a log on the ground and then 4:36 the log magically jumps on top of another and is dragged off the top of it! Posting infomercials just makes your point worthless.
The only issue Wards has with the Ecoboost is the poor fuel mileage, they actually like the Ecoboost just not the as rated mileage Ford attaches to the vehicles it is put in.
Who is Wardsauto?
From the link: WardsAuto is a world-leading provider of automotive insights and analysis, having served the industry's information needs for more than 90 years. A Southfield, MI-based division of Penton, WardsAuto provides a forward-looking perspective on all aspects of the automotive business, from the tech center to the plant floor to the showroom. Its services include the premium WardsAuto.com resource and suite of customizable data reporting tools, the WardsAuto Interiors and WardsAuto Outlook Conferences, and digital newsletters and magazines. Subscribe to WardsAuto and attend its events by visiting http://www.wardsauto.com.
Don
So because Wards praises the Ecodiesel and 6.0PSD engines, they're the end all be all for pickup truck reviews yet when Ford does a "torture test" with their own Ecoboost engine for an entertaining infomercial, it must be fake?:hMichael in MN wrote:
The Mad Norsky wrote:
So eco-boost owners can relax and drive like the sedated 83 year old librarian for your best fuel mileage.
And when you drive like a sedated 83 year old:
That was from a 300 mile trip on the pan-flat prairie at 55-60mph, no wind or tailwind.
I got 24.5 on a 300 mile trip under similar conditions (snowy/slippery, no wind or tailwind, couldn't drive more than 55mph).
I've also gotten 6mpg on a 300 mile trip, towing against the wind on a red flag day at 60+mph.
:E
You took a picture of your gauges while driving 65?!? Yikes! (I think that's right up there with texting while driving.)
For those pointing out the eco-boost gets worse gas mileage in the winter - this is true of cars built to be fuel efficient too. Both my wife and I get around 10%-15% worse mileage during the winter than we do during the summer in our daily drivers: '03 Honda Insight, and '14 Prius. I've seen people on forums able to return their Insights to summer mileage by blocking the radiator (so the engine runs hotter - like it does during the summer), but our temperature around here varies too much day-to-day for me to be comfortable doing that. Just a thought that it might not entirely be the fault of the gas mix, but also the engine operating less efficiently in colder weather.2112 wrote:
Reminds me of someone posting only getting 20.2 mpg on their EcoDiesel this morning.
Now who was that? :B
Yep that was me, the truck has less than 2000 miles on it and like my 2004 Cummins is getting very poor fuel mileage new! But hopefully like my 04 Cummins it will improve with age. Unlike many others here, I don't have a problem posting my true mileage and no I'm not going to take a picture of my dash showing 30 MPG @ 65 MPH in the instant reading mode.
I posted 20.2 and that was the overall MPG I got on that tank. I don't drive this truck any different than my 2004 2500 CTD and it made 23 MPG for combined city/highway. I have yet to do a long (full tank) highway trip so I can not post any highway only mileage nor have a towed with it yet.
As far as Fords so called "torture test". That is a joke goto 4:26 it shows them hooking up to a log on the ground and then 4:36 the log magically jumps on top of another and is dragged off the top of it! Posting infomercials just makes your point worthless.
The only issue Wards has with the Ecoboost is the poor fuel mileage, they actually like the Ecoboost just not the as rated mileage Ford attaches to the vehicles it is put in.
Who is Wardsauto?
From the link: WardsAuto is a world-leading provider of automotive insights and analysis, having served the industry's information needs for more than 90 years. A Southfield, MI-based division of Penton, WardsAuto provides a forward-looking perspective on all aspects of the automotive business, from the tech center to the plant floor to the showroom. Its services include the premium WardsAuto.com resource and suite of customizable data reporting tools, the WardsAuto Interiors and WardsAuto Outlook Conferences, and digital newsletters and magazines. Subscribe to WardsAuto and attend its events by visiting http://www.wardsauto.com.
Don- I know what it does not like and that's 30-40 deg weather burning winter blend.
I can get 20-23 mpg going to and from work in the summer but it struggles to see 18 in the winter.
FWIW: I walked onto the dealer lot with every intention of buying a 5.0. They were all dressers with low payload. I found this stripped EB Max Tow with 2084 lbs payload and feel lucky I did.
I now have over 40,000 miles without a single issue. - For the 3.5 Eco, you don't get 420 torque at only 2500 rpms for nothing.. ;)
But, once you learn how to drive it, you CAN get decent mpg's and not having to drive like an 83 year old all the time... :)
That's just my experience with one that I bought off the lot and over the last 12,000 miles have learned what it likes and does not like to get decent mpg's when needed, and what it likes and does not like towing and what it likes and does not like when having FUN with it... :)
Mitch
