Water pressure regulator -- Fail?

Failed gauge but functioning regulator?

The cheap "regulators" are really nothing more than flow restrictors. They will reduce the flow pressure, but most of them will not reduce the static pressure -- the pressure will eventually build up on the low pressure side. You need to pay about $70.00 if you want to get a real pressure regulator.

Bruce

Bruce, Thanks, this is what I thought but wanted it to come from others with experience. I looked at the true regulators just last night after getting home. I wondered if the cheap ones were just flow restrictors vs. true regulator.

I can't really in this era of litigious consumers that any company would label and sell a flow restrictor as a pressure regulator. I think that if that were true, we would be reading case after case of water line failures in these forums. Marshall Brass makes a variety of regulators that are well under the $70 price, are all of these just flow reducers?

I would guess that Valterra's regulators are made by Marshal or some other reputable company and Valterra is a really big RV accessories supplier, can't believe they are going to falsely label a product.

The "cheap" regulators are not just flow restrictors. I've been using them for 25 years with a gauge and they all restricted pressure to around 45 psi - regardless of flow rate.
It sounds like yours has failed. Replace it with a Valtera "High flow" regulator and you'll have ample volume regulated to a safe level. Expect to pay around $12.

I sprung for one of these...excellent. Adjustable, 4.5 gal per minute flow, Stainless Steel parts.

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The cheapie inline exterior regulators simply have a small fixed orifice (hole) in them of around 1/16" or so. Look inside it and you will see the hole. They are not true regulators and the pressure will equalize on both sides after it sits there with no flow. At zero flow, there is zero differential pressure across it. There is simply no way a fixed diameter hole can control and maintain pressure. Also, the flow rate on these is low at around 1 gpm due to the small orifice size. I put these things in the category of snake oil.

A proper regulator has a diaphragm and spring in it. As the incoming pressure varies, the diaphragm acts against the spring pressure which controls the output pressure. With any diaphragm regulator, you can find a flow/pressure chart from the manufacturer.

With the inline "regulators", they do not publish a flow/pressure chart. If they did, you would find that they do a poor job of regulating. They get away with it because there are no regulations they have to comply with. The average consumer does not understand how regulators work or perhaps even care and they buy it because of what it says on the package and because of the low price. If you use one of these regulators, you are at risk of damage to your water system from excessive pressure.

If you want a REAL regulator, get a Watts 560 or 263A, or equivalent. As good a price here as anywhere else on the internet: RVwaterfilterstore.com

A similar thing happens with water filters. There are no industry regulations. Manufacturers can though, voluntarily certify their filters to NSF standards. I've seen some pretty outlandish claims on filter performance that are not NSF certified. They get away with it on filters too because of no mandatory regulations.

is that gauge reading incoming or outgoing water pressure?
bumpy

My elcheapo regulator must do something to regulate pressure. I was recently at Fort Wilderness and the thing started making a really weird tapping/clicking noise and completely shut off the flow of water whenever it was doing so. This only happened at certain times of the day and only has happened at this one campground. I spent less than $10 bucks on it. I figure a more expensive one prolly would done a better job - more than just shut the flow down completely(?)

myredracer wrote:
The cheapie inline exterior regulators simply have a small fixed orifice (hole) in them of around 1/16" or so. Look inside it and you will see the hole. They are not true regulators and the pressure will equalize on both sides after it sits there with no flow. At zero flow, there is zero differential pressure across it. There is simply no way a fixed diameter hole can control and maintain pressure. Also, the flow rate on these is low at around 1 gpm due to the small orifice size. I put these things in the category of snake oil.

A proper regulator has a diaphragm and spring in it. As the incoming pressure varies, the diaphragm acts against the spring pressure which controls the output pressure. With any diaphragm regulator, you can find a flow/pressure chart from the manufacturer.

With the inline "regulators", they do not publish a flow/pressure chart. If they did, you would find that they do a poor job of regulating. They get away with it because there are no regulations they have to comply with. The average consumer does not understand how regulators work or perhaps even care and they buy it because of what it says on the package and because of the low price. If you use one of these regulators, you are at risk of damage to your water system from excessive pressure.

If you want a REAL regulator, get a Watts 560 or 263A, or equivalent. As good a price here as anywhere else on the internet: RVwaterfilterstore.com

A similar thing happens with water filters. There are no industry regulations. Manufacturers can though, voluntarily certify their filters to NSF standards. I've seen some pretty outlandish claims on filter performance that are not NSF certified. They get away with it on filters too because of no mandatory regulations.

This just isn't true at all. The common regulators most of us use don't have fixed hole in them, they genuinely regulate pressure, otherwise you would see a creep. I routinely connect to to a CG water source that's well in excess of 80 psi but my reg. keeps it to 45~50. And you can look down the insides and see there isn't just a hole in it. Anyone that has one or is contemplating buying one can see this for themselves.

For some reason some people get all riled up when it's suggested they could have bought a $12 part that will work for an RV just as well as an expensive whole house reg.
For RV use a fixed high flow regulator will work perfectly fine and you will not notice any difference in flow between it and and a whole house regulator because our rigs just don't demand that much volume.