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Keel
Explorer
Sep 28, 2015

Welp, Made it through the first use of pop up..

The wife and I used my newly bought camper for the first time last week, up at the Nascar race..
It went well, for the most part.. did have a few issues that I will start threads on,
The first issue, was the "feeling small" lol..
The Track employee's have their own lot to camp in.. or more than likely put all of us, then fill it with fans.. b-u-t
I 36 foot motor-coach parked to the left of us.. and boy did it make the pop up look small..
Only reason I post that, is the wife wasn't on board with a camper,She was fine with a tent.. Then we get up there set up, and the first day of use, she came around to, well this is much better.. Yay ,one point for husband.. but that joy didn't last long, as ,after the 2nd day of sleeping in it, we get up and go down to the infield to work, security of the drivers and teams hardware (tools,cars/rigs/motor homes/etc) and she is looking around, the whole walk down.. we get back to the camper at 6:45 am and crash, get up at noon, and she got talking with the owners of the big by huge motor coach that was beside us, and they gave here the full tour of the thing.. REmember I said one point for husband, She on the way down to watch the races, was like ,That motor-coach is really nice. I'm like I'm sure it is.. And. normally, we never stop at the camping world midway store,thingy. but she wanted to look for something for the camper, :R I'm roaming the place checking it out. and want to show her something, where do I find her.. inside a camper, iirc a 26 or better one.. it wasn't a 5th wheel.. and I really didn't take note of anything as there wasn't a need, as I wasn't buying.. So the Pandora box has been opened, lord help me..

--- The towing the pop up was "different" I've towed cars on a trailer but always used my dad's diesel and it never even let you know you had anything back there,
This was different, the tow vehicle is a 04 ford sport trac,4x4 that isn't really small or light 5800.oo+/- isn't to me light,
but over bridge joints or any good sized bump, or dip it made the rear of the truck bounce twice, then settle out, The shocks are new, like 1 month old new, so it's not that, the up swing of the bounce had some force behind it, not enough to push the truck around, or make the tail happy, it always tracked straight, and had no issues braking even while it did this, so it wasn't unloading the rear tires ,it just felt odd.
I bring this up, as I'm not sure if it was just me not being used to having something back there or because the camper had a nose up rake, The sport trac doesn't have a hitch,(yet) but has a 5000 lb towing bumper that I put the 2" ball into.. but the height of the bumper is 4" higher than the tongue, giving it that nose up rake.. The weight of the camper per jayco is 1200-1600lb depending on options. so it's not a heavy unit ..
Anyone know if it is a normal thing, and that feeling of a 2nd bounce is just the camper going over the bump, bridge joint after the truck and being transmitted into the truck? or a factor of the nose up, ??
  • bondebond wrote:
    Not that camper/RV envy is a new thing and most wrestle with it, you and/or she will probably always be checking out the neighbors and comparing. It's human nature, especially when something BIG is next to you. Who cares - you've got what you've got and it doesn't matter what others think about it. I recently got a tour of a 5th wheel designed to sleep two people with just about every foot of both sides being slide-outs. The media center up over the hitch area was awesome with leather couches and a large LCD that rises from the cabinet. Too bad they didn't have the washer/dryer installed yet - they were just trying it out. Great. Not why I go camping. To each their own.

    My Explorers only had 3,500 pound bumpers but weren't Sport Tracs. If I added the tow package, then I could get to 5,300 pounds tow capacity but it involved more than just adding a receiver hitch. The transmission on the more recent of the two also choked pulling a similarly sized PUP (a Jayco 1007) and THEN I did research on the history of Explorer transmissions and found out it was a matter of when, not if, the transmission would die when towing anything.
    BTW, your Sport Trac is 4,135 pounds curb weight. It has a gross weight of 5,660 pounds when loaded up with 1,525 pounds of people and cargo.

    DavidP is right in that the rear of the Explorer is too soft. There are ways of fixing that. I went with air bags for the rear coils of my 4Runner and that has made a huge difference. Again, get the tongue down close to level. And shift more weight inside the PUP to in front of the axle to add more pressure on the tongue. Most people will always quote the 10% they've heard over and over. That can be just fine. I found that I need 15% to 20% of the weight of the PUP on the tongue for mine to tow well. I use a pair of same model bathroom scales to weigh my tongue, which comes in around 470 pounds. That's pretty much on the nose for the 3,100 pounds when loaded up. My scales go up to 290 each so I am comfortable enough with those measurements. So, how you load up can affect things as well.


    i'LL HAVE TO CHECK THE OPTION CODES ON THIS FORD, BUT THE 4 PIN CONNECTOR IS PART OF THE FACTORY HARNESS, SO I'm GOING TO GUESS IT CAME WITH THE TOW PACKAGE..(sorry about the caps) that and the 4:11 gearing seems to be pointing that way
  • DavidP wrote:
    A ford explorer does not weigh 5800 lbs. Not sure what the weight is but my guess would be around 4000.
    The bounce you are getting is from a very soft rear suspension. Adding a WDH will help stiffing that up and allow you to adjust the hitch height to get the trailer level or a slight drop in the front. Hitch high is not ideal and will unload the tongue weight allowing for potential sway.

    my ford sport trac weight is 5800 lb =/- per new England dragways scales..

    and what is a WDH
  • Not that camper/RV envy is a new thing and most wrestle with it, you and/or she will probably always be checking out the neighbors and comparing. It's human nature, especially when something BIG is next to you. Who cares - you've got what you've got and it doesn't matter what others think about it. I recently got a tour of a 5th wheel designed to sleep two people with just about every foot of both sides being slide-outs. The media center up over the hitch area was awesome with leather couches and a large LCD that rises from the cabinet. Too bad they didn't have the washer/dryer installed yet - they were just trying it out. Great. Not why I go camping. To each their own.

    My Explorers only had 3,500 pound bumpers but weren't Sport Tracs. If I added the tow package, then I could get to 5,300 pounds tow capacity but it involved more than just adding a receiver hitch. The transmission on the more recent of the two also choked pulling a similarly sized PUP (a Jayco 1007) and THEN I did research on the history of Explorer transmissions and found out it was a matter of when, not if, the transmission would die when towing anything.
    BTW, your Sport Trac is 4,135 pounds curb weight. It has a gross weight of 5,660 pounds when loaded up with 1,525 pounds of people and cargo.

    DavidP is right in that the rear of the Explorer is too soft. There are ways of fixing that. I went with air bags for the rear coils of my 4Runner and that has made a huge difference. Again, get the tongue down close to level. And shift more weight inside the PUP to in front of the axle to add more pressure on the tongue. Most people will always quote the 10% they've heard over and over. That can be just fine. I found that I need 15% to 20% of the weight of the PUP on the tongue for mine to tow well. I use a pair of same model bathroom scales to weigh my tongue, which comes in around 470 pounds. That's pretty much on the nose for the 3,100 pounds when loaded up. My scales go up to 290 each so I am comfortable enough with those measurements. So, how you load up can affect things as well.
  • A ford explorer does not weigh 5800 lbs. Not sure what the weight is but my guess would be around 4000.
    The bounce you are getting is from a very soft rear suspension. Adding a WDH will help stiffing that up and allow you to adjust the hitch height to get the trailer level or a slight drop in the front. Hitch high is not ideal and will unload the tongue weight allowing for potential sway.