what defines a 3/4 ton?
If it's payload capacity, then why isn't a properly equipped F150 considered a 3/4 ton truck?
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Huntindog wrote:
That all depends on how realistic one is.
I believe that at some point, most TTs and trucks will be loaded over spec.
Most people will not have a scale handy when they need to load a lot of stuff. Most will just do it, and hope for the best. This is when the heavier duty stuff saves the day(s).
In times past any pickup could be expected to be overloaded, but many nowadays never haul anything in the bed until most would think it is past it's useful life. You are right, with the bed size the same, you are less likely to break the heavier duty full floating axle.mich800 wrote:
That all depends on how realistic one is.Huntindog wrote:
philh wrote:
Yes. To put it simply: There are certain things in which size matters. This is one of them.
If a vehicle is rated at 1500lbs cargo cap, does it really matter if it has 6 or 7 or 8 lug bolts?
It is not uncommon when I go to the dump to pass a heavily load 1/2 ton, which had it's axle C clip let go. This is easy to diagnose as I pass by...... As the tire is extended from the wheelwell about 2 feet.... with the axle shaft clearly visable. That cannot happen with a full floating rearend.
C clip axles (semi floating) are the same design as what is used in cars.
That anecdotal evidence is not really applicable. There is a difference between overloaded/abused and within specs. There is not any more reason to anticipate a "half ton" truck will kick out its axles when operated as designed relative to a 3/4-1 ton that is comparatively overloaded for its intended spec.
I believe that at some point, most TTs and trucks will be loaded over spec.
Most people will not have a scale handy when they need to load a lot of stuff. Most will just do it, and hope for the best. This is when the heavier duty stuff saves the day(s).Huntindog wrote:
philh wrote:
Yes. To put it simply: There are certain things in which size matters. This is one of them.
If a vehicle is rated at 1500lbs cargo cap, does it really matter if it has 6 or 7 or 8 lug bolts?
It is not uncommon when I go to the dump to pass a heavily load 1/2 ton, which had it's axle C clip let go. This is easy to diagnose as I pass by...... As the tire is extended from the wheelwell about 2 feet.... with the axle shaft clearly visable. That cannot happen with a full floating rearend.
C clip axles (semi floating) are the same design as what is used in cars.
That anecdotal evidence is not really applicable. There is a difference between overloaded/abused and within specs. There is not any more reason to anticipate a "half ton" truck will kick out its axles when operated as designed relative to a 3/4-1 ton that is comparatively overloaded for its intended spec.- Must be the group as a whole was having severe withdrawal symptoms if this tired old subject got dragged out...
Time to burn your Literal Man underoos, fellas... "Itsh payload ishn't exactly 1500 poundsh so it ishn't really a three quarter ton truck." Yah we get it. gmw photos wrote:
Yes, but if you really want to send the payload po-po into a frenzy, just mention this little Chevy mini-truck. The shame of it all, 4 lug wheels, and over 1600 lbs of payload capacity. :)
So will this F150HD....
Lynnmor wrote:
Terryallan wrote:
Lynnmor wrote:
philh wrote:
If it's payload capacity, then why isn't a properly equipped F150 considered a 3/4 ton truck?
Because it is still a lightweight grocery getter? :W
but it is more heavy duty than a 2004 2500
And weighs 1,000 pounds less, wow!
Yes it is amazing what they are doing with stronger, light weight, modern material.- ^ That just proves how underrated our full size trucks are.
- Yes, but if you really want to send the payload po-po into a frenzy, just mention this little Chevy mini-truck. The shame of it all, 4 lug wheels, and over 1600 lbs of payload capacity. :)
valhalla360 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
So the consensus here is that even though the terms 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, and 1 ton used to mean what the truck can haul, it is not based on it's model/name designation since trucks have outgrown these ratings decades ago. So anything with a 1 in its name/model is a 1/2 ton, anything with a 2 in t's name/model is a 3/4 ton, and anything with a 3 in its name/model is a 1 ton regardless of actual capabilities and ratings.
In that case. What about a Toyota Tundra? It has no number in it's name and neither does the Titan. Then there is the Titan XD which is in the same class 2B as most other 250/2500 trucks. Then there is the new GM 2500 trucks which have more capabilities than previous years 1 ton trucks. Lastly there is the F450 pickup which is in the same class 3 as the other 350/3500 trucks. Is that considered a 1 ton too or a 1 1/4 ton. Is there someone making up the rules on what truck is considered what that we must all have to follow or does it change from person/age group from another based on opinions.
It's marketing as much as anything. If you have a 1/2ton truck with a 1000lb payload and next year, it ups to 1500lb...do you confuse your buyers by eliminating the 1/2 ton model...which is also the biggest and most profitable vehicle in your line up? Only an idiot would be pedantic enough to do that when everyone actually knows that it's a model designation not a technical spec.
The asian models...for whatever reason they have chosen not to follow industry convention but they really make up a minuscule portion of the market, so most don't care and those who are interested, can look up the actual specs. I would argue it's a mistake on the manufacturers end not to align with industry convention. They are fighting an uphill battle to begin with moving beyond the small pickups. Making it unclear where their truck models fit into the system means a lot of potential customers never bother to check them out as they don't market a 3/4 or 1 ton truck.
The vast majority of people considering 450/550 and up...they know and understand the ratings, so there is no confusion.
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was asking people what makes a truck a 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton and so on. Since it is subjective and there is no set rule like the class system, it just boils down to personal opinion that may change from person to person. The terms 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton used to actually mean something, but they no longer do since trucks have outgrown these ratings. As far as Asian models, that also is opinion that can change from one person to the next just like some consider the Titan XD a 3/4 ton and others don't even though it is a class 2b truck like most other 250/2500 trucks.
I think the whole point of this thread is to ask people what their definition of a 3/4 is to them. The fact that we are getting so many different opinions is a testament to what I am saying that is just opinion that changes from one person to the next.ShinerBock wrote:
So the consensus here is that even though the terms 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, and 1 ton used to mean what the truck can haul, it is not based on it's model/name designation since trucks have outgrown these ratings decades ago. So anything with a 1 in its name/model is a 1/2 ton, anything with a 2 in t's name/model is a 3/4 ton, and anything with a 3 in its name/model is a 1 ton regardless of actual capabilities and ratings.
In that case. What about a Toyota Tundra? It has no number in it's name and neither does the Titan. Then there is the Titan XD which is in the same class 2B as most other 250/2500 trucks. Then there is the new GM 2500 trucks which have more capabilities than previous years 1 ton trucks. Lastly there is the F450 pickup which is in the same class 3 as the other 350/3500 trucks. Is that considered a 1 ton too or a 1 1/4 ton. Is there someone making up the rules on what truck is considered what that we must all have to follow or does it change from person/age group from another based on opinions.
It's marketing as much as anything. If you have a 1/2ton truck with a 1000lb payload and next year, it ups to 1500lb...do you confuse your buyers by eliminating the 1/2 ton model...which is also the biggest and most profitable vehicle in your line up? Only an idiot would be pedantic enough to do that when everyone actually knows that it's a model designation not a technical spec.
The asian models...for whatever reason they have chosen not to follow industry convention but they really make up a minuscule portion of the market, so most don't care and those who are interested, can look up the actual specs. I would argue it's a mistake on the manufacturers end not to align with industry convention. They are fighting an uphill battle to begin with moving beyond the small pickups. Making it unclear where their truck models fit into the system means a lot of potential customers never bother to check them out as they don't market a 3/4 or 1 ton truck.
The vast majority of people considering 450/550 and up...they know and understand the ratings, so there is no confusion.
