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sportsman16
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Apr 10, 2014

What does this unit weigh? Cargo capacity include water?

Trying to figure out what the as built dry weight is of a 2014 Creekside 27bh. Most trailers I have looked at have a yellow sticker listing the weight from factory as built. This unit has a sticker that states the cargo capacity should not exceed 1,094 lbs. It then cautions that a full load of water equals 666 lbs of cargo @8.3lbs/gal.
The GVWR of the trailer is 8,800.

I assumed the dry weight as built must be 8800-1,094 or 7,706 dry. This is significantly heavier that the 6,935 brochure weight.

Salesman called Outdoor RV and states that they weighed this unit at the factory and is 6,980 as built. They state that their cargo capacity sticker is after a full load of water and propane.

They claim, 8800gross
-666 water
-60 propane
-6,980 dry
= 1,094 cargo capacity

So does this thing weigh 7700 lbs or 6980 lbs? It's not that I don't trust the dealer and his call to the factory, however, I have never seen it explained like this. I thought water needed to be added against the cargo capacity?

Thoughts?

20 Replies

  • A 27' TT that only has 1,094# of CCC is extremely short on payload. You can assume that it was built, how can I put this delicately.... very lightly. :R CCC is an excellent barometer of the overall quality of a TT. Not every rig with an adequate CCC is a great build but it is hard to imagine one this lightly put together being there for the long run.

    Run Forrest run! :E

    As always.... opinions and YMMV.
    :C
  • Gdetrailer wrote:
    lbrjet wrote:
    Take it to the scale and find out.


    :h

    Hmm.. I can imagine THAT conversation..

    Buyer to dealer..

    Hey Mr Salesman, is it OK to "borrow" (tow) A NEW trailer off the lot in order to weigh it BEFORE I commit to buying it?

    Salesman to the Buyer after the salesman along with the entire sales floor pick themselves off the floor laughing..

    That's funny but we are PAST April Fools day!

    Umm, so, that's not gonna happen until you hand over the entire agreed on price and sign a few documents.. :S

    Put YOURSELF in the DEALERS SHOES.

    Would YOU be willing to lend a NEW camper which YOU BOUGHT and YOU are paying INTEREST on and let John Q public tow it off into the sunset without paying for it?

    The dealer is running a business and that trailer represents a lot of the businesses money tied up in it..


    I was kind of thinking the same thing.

    Bruce
  • lbrjet wrote:
    Take it to the scale and find out.


    :h

    Hmm.. I can imagine THAT conversation..

    Buyer to dealer..

    Hey Mr Salesman, is it OK to "borrow" (tow) A NEW trailer off the lot in order to weigh it BEFORE I commit to buying it?

    Salesman to the Buyer after the salesman along with the entire sales floor pick themselves off the floor laughing..

    That's funny but we are PAST April Fools day!

    Umm, so, that's not gonna happen until you hand over the entire agreed on price and sign a few documents.. :S

    Put YOURSELF in the DEALERS SHOES.

    Would YOU be willing to lend a NEW camper which YOU BOUGHT and YOU are paying INTEREST on and let John Q public tow it off into the sunset without paying for it?

    The dealer is running a business and that trailer represents a lot of the businesses money tied up in it..
  • sportsman16 wrote:
    Lantley wrote:
    The 6935 brochure figure is a bit fictional. It is the weight of a unit with no options. The trailer you are looking at has 7706-6935 or 771 pounds of options.
    The weight of these options must be accounted for and are deducted from the GVW.
    Leaving you a net CCC of 1094 if you have a full load of water you need to deduct another 666 pounds leaving only 428 pounds for cargo.(1094-666=428)


    Yes, this is how I understand it. However, the dealer and factory claim otherwise. They claim their 1,094 cargo capacity is in addition to having 666 lbs of water on board.


    They are lying.

    Bruce
  • Lantley wrote:
    The 6935 brochure figure is a bit fictional. It is the weight of a unit with no options. The trailer you are looking at has 7706-6935 or 771 pounds of options.
    The weight of these options must be accounted for and are deducted from the GVW.
    Leaving you a net CCC of 1094 if you have a full load of water you need to deduct another 666 pounds leaving only 428 pounds for cargo.(1094-666=428)


    Yes, this is how I understand it. However, the dealer and factory claim otherwise. They claim their 1,094 cargo capacity is in addition to having 666 lbs of water on board.
  • Lantley wrote:
    The 6935 brochure figure is a bit fictional. It is the weight of a unit with no options. The trailer you are looking at has 7706-6935 or 771 pounds of options.
    The weight of these options must be accounted for and are deducted from the GVW.
    Leaving you a net CCC of 1094 if you have a full load of water you need to deduct another 666 pounds leaving only 428 pounds for cargo.(1094-666=428)


    Yep.....simple math.

    Bruce
  • The 6935 brochure figure is a bit fictional. It is the weight of a unit with no options. The trailer you are looking at has 7706-6935 or 771 pounds of options.
    The weight of these options must be accounted for and are deducted from the GVW.
    Leaving you a net CCC of 1094 if you have a full load of water you need to deduct another 666 pounds leaving only 428 pounds for cargo.(1094-666=428)
  • Gdetrailer wrote:
    There WILL be a LOT of folks who are going to disagree with my position BUT..

    Probably, but there is no disagreement here. You are right on the money.
  • sportsman16 wrote:
    Trying to figure out what the as built dry weight is of a 2014 Creekside 27bh. Most trailers I have looked at have a yellow sticker listing the weight from factory as built. This unit has a sticker that states the cargo capacity should not exceed 1,094 lbs. It then cautions that a full load of water equals 666 lbs of cargo @8.3lbs/gal.
    The GVWR of the trailer is 8,800.

    I assumed the dry weight as built must be 8800-1,094 or 7,706 dry. This is significantly heavier that the 6,935 brochure weight.

    Salesman called Outdoor RV and states that they weighed this unit at the factory and is 6,980 as built. They state that their cargo capacity sticker is after a full load of water and propane.

    They claim, 8800gross
    -666 water
    -60 propane
    -6,980 dry
    = 1,094 cargo capacity

    So does this thing weigh 7700 lbs or 6980 lbs? It's not that I don't trust the dealer and his call to the factory, however, I have never seen it explained like this. I thought water needed to be added against the cargo capacity?

    Thoughts?


    There WILL be a LOT of folks who are going to disagree with my position BUT..

    Don't worry about the dry weight.. It isn't like you are ever going to take it camping 100% completely empty...

    8800 should be the GVWR of the trailer so THAT is the number you should be concerned about when trying to keep the weight inline for your tow vehicle...

    Keep in mind, 10%-15% of that gross weight should be at the tongue..

    So your tongue should weigh at the min 880 lbs (10%) to 1320 lbs (15%) at the max 8800 lbs..

    This is where you need to pay attention since the tongue weight will USE part of the TOW VEHICLE CARGO rating..

    YOU need to check your TOW VEHICLE CARGO rating to make sure this trailer PLUS you and any other passengers and possible gear that you put in the TV does not exceed the TV cargo rating..