Where to put my ATV

With reply to everyone who has warned me about the safety of doing this, I would like to say that:
I am not looking for affirmation. I am looking for people with real world experience hauling a big atv in the short bed truck while pulling a trailer. I am not looking for safety information. I do know that I will be what I consider slightly overloaded. I will not haul above the bed rack, so you can get off my back on that. I will not be white knuckling doing 55-65 down the straight highway with little to no elevation. I don't know how many of you have ever been to North Dakota, but we really don't have hills here :). I would usually post a reply to each of your comments, but I am looking for information, not a pissing match. Thanks!

Were loading a Grizzly 700 in the truck right now and then we're hooking onto a 24ft Security travel trailer and headed up Bear and Turkey hunting. I'll take a picture and bring it back tonight to post.:B

In the mean time to keep the weight police happy, tell me how unsafe this F-250 is with an 8ft Lance camper on it full of water and propane and hauling a 2000 lb trailer with a Rhino and a Grizzly....10 ply tires/Helwig springs and a fresh 390 ford.

How bad are you guys going to beat me up doing this with a '76 3/4 truck?

I'm with Jaycocreek on this. How many have real experiance ?

joelw wrote:

JJBIRISH wrote:
Typical modern day Rv’er…

wants to take 2 pounds of baloney but,
is only willing to pay for the 1 pound bag…

I don't know if you read any of the rest of the thread. I am not an RV'r. I am a pickup owner who purchased a travel trailer for at the most 6 weekends a year. Maybe one or 2 of these will be with an ATV. Your comment is extremely rude and not well thought out. Its not that I am not willing to pay for this. Its unnecessary to purchase a heavy duty truck or a toy hauler to bring my atv twice a year.

Yes I have read the thread and many others just like it in the past…

“Its not that I am not willing to pay for this. Its unnecessary to purchase a heavy duty truck or a toy hauler to bring my atv twice a year. “

this is unbelievably all too common today… you post and ask a question but are not willing to accept the good advice that has been given… you have already ruled out an acceptable TV, an acceptable trailer. Or loading ramps made for the job that may or may not be acceptable…

you are looking for affirmation not information… someone to affirm that your limited use justifies throwing all other caution to the wind, someone to affirm that being unsafe just every once in a while might be OK… or someone to affirm which poor idea is better than the next poor idea…
its not a question of which options are better when there are none, that you haven’t already discounted… so yes you are unwilling to pay the freight to do this…

OK you are not a RV’er for whatever that is worth, I am not trying to be rude, the thread is a common scenario and most of the time when it comes up it is from someone looking to solve thousands of dollars in deficiencies for 80 bucks out of pocket and forget the rest… you have even been given advice on how to do that (maybe not all good advice)…

The best advice you have been given for your problem is have a buddy drive and take the toys, and you take the trailer…

It is not meant to be a white knuckled dangerous ride.. But some like you seem to insist that one must endanger life and limb just to have a good time

White knuckled, really. White knuckling is hauling a load of logs down a narrow logging road with chains on all drivers and a front tire and doubles on the trailer with the jake break or retarder use, it locks up the drivers and you head for the snow bank to slow you down...... That's white knuckling, not towing a trailer with an ATV in the back.

Just out of curiosity, what experience do you have hauling an ATV in your truck with a trailer to have those opinions. Your opinion is based on experience, isn't it?

This is silly, your referring to literature you interpret instead of actual experience doing or done that and never again, because.

jaycocreek wrote:
But he didn't ask about payload, did he. Why some people feel the need to put down others over the net is behond me.

:R

He did not ask, BUT HE DID POST THE PAYLOAD, THE CARGO IN THE VEHICLE PLUS THE WEIGHT OF THE ATV. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that closing the tailgate is a very SMALL issue when compared to exceeding the cargo rating of said vehicle.

As far as the OPs issue of closing the tail gate or not hitting the tongue jack.. With a 5.5 ft bed AND A 8ft long object you have very limited options.. None of the options are good... you simply can not take a 8ft object and make it fit 5.5 ft without making said object go vertical or a platform which takes it over the cab..

Pretty much all options will make the whole way overloaded train wreck even worse..

One must ask themselves.. Why not just forget the extra object or buy a better suited vehicle or Toy trailer or take a second vehicle which can haul said object in a safe manor..

After all the object of going camping is to get there safely, enjoy the camping then get home safely..

It is not meant to be a white knuckled dangerous ride.. But some like you seem to insist that one must endanger life and limb just to have a good time :E :h :S

But he didn't ask about payload, did he. Why some people feel the need to put down others over the net is behond me.

jaycocreek wrote:

You clearly don't care about your safety over bringing your toys.

I see people hauling one or two snow machines and or ATV's pulling a trailer almost everyday and I have never seen a broken axle/blow out or wreck caused by being a tad over manufacturers weights...

Heck, just go to the fiver forum or truck campers and you will see over the payload all the time or here my axles say it's okay to be over payload.

All the guy wants to do is haul one ATV in his truck and pull his camper..... I wouldn't hesitate to do it with his rig and I have been hauling an ATV in my truck pulling a trailer since I got my first ATV in 1988 with 3/4 ton truck with a GVWR of 7200 lbs.

Never an issue.

Just because you see folks "doing" it doesn't make it right nor is it safe to do (and I am not talking about broken axles)..

There is more to it than axles which may be exceeded, tires, rims, lug nuts, springs, shocks, brakes and even stability..

Although the OP has a 2009 a quick check of Jayco on the same model number but a 2014 model indicates the OP will be over the cargo weight without ever placing anything inside the trailer.

Per Jayco HERE

Weights
Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) 4,125
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs) 510
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs) 6,500
Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs) 2,375

So from the start with the advertised empty tongue weight the OP is already 110 lbs over the allowable cargo weight of the vehicle..

Trailer has gross weight rating of 6,500 lbs and that means the tongue weight at 10% can be 650 lbs and at 15% 975 lbs.

Loaded the OP will have 250 lbs to 575 lbs OVER the cargo weight.

Then add in that this trailer is 28ft in length and I think the OP is going to quickly regret trying to drag all that weight around with his current truck.

That additional 800 lbs of ATV sitting 4ft to 6 ft in the air is going to make the whole rig really unstable..

The OP IS overweight and IS a dangerous setup with that ATV on the truck.

Sorry if the truth hurts but someone needs to step up and call out a bad situation before the OP gets hurt or breaks down..

You clearly don't care about your safety over bringing your toys.

I see people hauling one or two snow machines and or ATV's pulling a trailer almost everyday and I have never seen a broken axle/blow out or wreck caused by being a tad over manufacturers weights...

Heck, just go to the fiver forum or truck campers and you will see over the payload all the time or here my axles say it's okay to be over payload.

All the guy wants to do is haul one ATV in his truck and pull his camper..... I wouldn't hesitate to do it with his rig and I have been hauling an ATV in my truck pulling a trailer since I got my first ATV in 1988 with 3/4 ton truck with a GVWR of 7200 lbs.

Never an issue.

joelw wrote:

JJBIRISH wrote:
Typical modern day Rv’er…

wants to take 2 pounds of baloney but,
is only willing to pay for the 1 pound bag…

I don't know if you read any of the rest of the thread. I am not an RV'r. I am a pickup owner who purchased a travel trailer for at the most 6 weekends a year. Maybe one or 2 of these will be with an ATV. Your comment is extremely rude and not well thought out. Its not that I am not willing to pay for this. Its unnecessary to purchase a heavy duty truck or a toy hauler to bring my atv twice a year.

While you may feel JJ is being rude, it is not, sadly it is more truthful than many folks like to hear.

So far there have been multiple posts which you seem to have ignored which relates to the leftover cargo weight which basically is what the trailer will use up and EXCEED.

Loading up your passengers, fuel and ATV is leaving you only 400 lbs for the trailer tongue. That means your trailer cannot exceed 4000 lbs for 10% tongue weight or 2670 lbs for 15% tongue weight.

You clearly don't care about your safety over bringing your toys.

I think you need to stop and consider your safety over the toys and realize that if you want to take it all you will be compromising by either getting a more capable vehicle, replace the trailer with a Toy Hauler, take a second vehicle which can pull a trailer or haul the ATV in the back that vehicle..